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A World Without "The State"
A World Under God's Law

I'm hoping to create a dialog between a Christian anarchist and a defender of liberalism. I simply can't imagine any good arguments in favor of liberalism, so if you can think of some, please email me. I have numbered the conversation so you can tell me which line you wish to contribute.

Background

Christian Anarchism is the belief that we are to love our neighbors -- and even our enemies -- as Christ loved us. Christian Anarchists believe that Christ is the one True King, and all earthly kings are usurpers. God nowhere commanded men to form "the State." Everything the State does is a violation of God's Law.

Liberalism -- a.k.a "the Welfare State" -- is built on the foundation of taxation, that is, the forcible redistribution of income from those who are not liberals to those the liberals think should have more money. If there were no such program of taxation, there could be no liberal welfare state. It should be enough to show that a Christian cannot be a liberal by showing that taxation is a sin.

Why taxation
-- even to provide welfare benefits for truly destitute cripples, widows and orphans --
is evil

Everybody understands that if I came up to you and demanded your money, and threatened to lock you up in my basement for an extended period of time if you refused to give me what I wanted, I would be guilty of violating the Eighth Commandment ("Thou shalt not steal") and threatening to violate the Sixth Commandment (depriving you of your life or liberty if you don't cough up). Thus, everything the State does is financed by extortion.

Even if Jesus counseled you to pay up, turn the other cheek, or go the second mile, that would not change the character of my action. I would still be doing evil, even if Jesus said "Resist not evil" (Matthew 5:39). "Thou shalt not steal" means "taxation is theft" -- unless there is some extraordinary dispensation from God which allows men to call themselves "the State" and proceed to steal with impunity.

Christian anarchists believe there is no such divine dispensation.

A Christian Anarchist in Federal Court

The Christian Anarchist Home Page

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 Anarchism from Genesis to Revelation

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The Conversation

The Christian Anarchist writes in this font
The Defender of Liberalism writes in this font.

[Pay your taxes]
  1. As a Christian Anarchist, I believe taxation is theft. God says "thou shalt not steal."
  2. But the Bible says we are to pay our taxes (Romans 13).
  3. Yes, but that does not make taxing people morally legitimate. Jesus also says we are to "turn the other cheek" (Matthew 5:39). That does not make cheek-slapping moral. When Jesus refers to the cheek-slapper, He says "Resist not evil." Cheek-slapping is a sin and taxation is a sin.
  4.  
  5.  
[People are sinners Politicians are not.]
  1. But we need taxation to provide for vital national services.
  2. If they're so vital, why is it nobody pays for them voluntarily?
  3. People are sinners. Those of us living in capitalist nations are selfish and greedy. We are "totally depraved."
  4. Then how can we trust the people of the IRS to take the money (which they steal from us sinners) and use it in a compassionate, Christian manner? Aren't they sinners too?
  5. Yes but in a democracy they're held accountable by the voters.
  6. Aren't voters totally depraved? Won't they vote for the IRS to spend the money on middle-class amusement parks and DVD players rather than give it to the poor?
  7.  
[Knowing how to help]
  1. If the State doesn't tax us and give it to those who need it, the elderly and the destitute will starve.
  2. How do you know there are any starving old people or widows and orphans in need?
  3. Well there just are . . . what kind of a stupid question is that?
  4. Have you ever met any starving old people or widows in need?
  5. Well not exactly, but I know they're out there. Otherwise why would we be taxed to support them?
  6. Let's assume that you meet someone who is truly destitute and needy. What does the Bible say you should do?
  7. I'm not sure I should do anything at all. I'm not an expert. That's why we have the State.
  8. I thought the purpose of the State was to provide for national defense and police? Where in the Constitution is the idea that the Founding Fathers created government to care for the needy?
  9.  


  1. Liberalism is actually opposed to decentralized charity, a.k.a., "compassionate conservatism."
  2.  
[Liberalism undercuts Personal Responsibility]
  1. Consider Jesus' parable of the Good Samaritan. When he found someone on the highway in desperate need, did he use his own money to help the victim, or did he rob the next passerby to get money to help the victim of the first robbery?
  2. But what if the Good Samaritan didn't have any money to help? That's why we have government.
  3. But where does the government get the money to help? Doesn't it take it from those who DO have money?
  4.  -
  5. Shouldn't those who DO have the money be taught the basic rudiments of charity and hospitality so that they can help the needy in a personal way, rather than simply remaining passive and allowing the State to take their money and give it to the needy in an impersonal way?
  6.  
  1. If all the money currently confiscated by the State were simply passed out to those under the poverty level, every single man, woman and child in poverty would receive a check for nearly $10,000.

More Here: http://www.ncpa.org/studies/s187/s187.html    Highlights:

Everyone from Ronald Reagan to Bill Clinton seems to agree. Our welfare system is a disaster. It's in desperate need of reform.

Currently, we are spending more than $350 billion a year on 79 means-tested federal welfare programs. That's more than we spend on national defense. Theoretically, we could take that money and give $8,939 to every poor person in America, or $35,756 to a family of four.

Since 1965 we have spent $5 trillion on the War on Poverty, measured in 1992 constant dollars. Yet the poverty rate is higher today than it was the year the War on Poverty began. How can we spend so much and achieve so little?

Why should we send our money to Washington, let bureaucrats suck off their cut, and delude ourselves into thinking that we are being "charitable" or "compassionate" when someone in poverty receives an impersonal, faceless welfare check?

Compassion comes from two Latin words meaning "to suffer with." Yet liberalism does not encourage taxpayers to be "with" the poor in any meaningful way.

The purpose of taxation is

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