"Wow!"
"Outstanding!"
"Incredible!"
"Astounding!"
"Provocative!"
"A breath of fresh air!"
"It's absolutely brilliant and often hilarious!"
"your website changed my life"
Here are some unsolicited letters I have received, mostly from people I've never met
in person.
My hope is not that people will be "impressed" with "my" writing,
but that they will "grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus
Christ" (2
Peter 3:18). I have a ministry of answering people's questions. A lot of questions.
These letters, in more or less alphabetical order, are only a fraction of my email.
Kevin....what a remarkable amount of work you have put
into your website!!! Thank you for sharing your vision. When the rubber
hits the pavement, whatever political theory or lack thereof we espouse, if
it is not informed by love, then we are truly nothing more
than "tinkling bells".
Dennis Spain
Subj: Wow.
Date: 5/14/00 2:24:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: adamch[@]gte.com (adam christing)
To: KEVIN4VFT@aol.com (KEVIN4VFT)
Dear Friend,
Thanks for the provocative site.
I think Paul was the first Calvinist. Maybe Isaiah.
Why did you depart from the Chalcedon crew?
Best,
Adam
Dear Sir,
I have not had the time to digest all of your writing on the VFT site. But,
it seems to me that you have well-articulated a lot of casual thoughts that
I've had. Those include: patriarchy, state-less-ness, church-less-ness, and
others.
One archetype that I did not see mentioned on your site, but yet it is
implicit throughout, is that of anonymity...of giving glory to God. Your
credentials are not noted, but your erudition is evident. (Rather, His is
vis a vi you.) I think the corruption of the church and state rests on
desire of their respective leaders for fame. Much of their blather is a
smoke screen of FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) to perpetuate the perception
of a need of their services. Their ploys seem like convenient means of
escaping the difficult task of being economically useful. That task is
doubly difficult if you are a Christian, yet they've managed to dupe all of
us profiteers into paying their salaries out of our "evil" profits. I am
probably more of a free-market fan than you. However, I readily agree that
the government severely distorts our market, it does not reward virtue, and
cronyism is sanctified.
What are you thoughts on the most noble trajectory for a young man's life?
How is one to balance the discipleship with economic realities? Anonymous
entrepreneurship, family dynasty building, and an anonymous ministry?
In Christ,
Adam Jones
Burlingame CA
I
have finally found you. My brother! Don't tell me the Lord has this forever mirror
dangling in front of your face everyday so you can see yourself for who you really are
too? The fear of the Lord. I think I learn that meaning a little more each day.
Anyway, I am so thankful and blessed to have spent the last few hours on your website. I
feel like I already know you. I have known for a long time that we have an evil fiction
for a Government and money system that has in turn made each of us constant thieves,
first according to our Holy scriptures secondly our constitution. The only way for us to
extinguish a debt is with gold or silver (real value) so in essence we don't even own
the shirt on our back because we have never paid for it! It saddens me to think of how
evil we are. Unless we repent and ask for his forgiveness, he will give us up to the
lust of our flesh and we are doomed. I know that God has always debt with a little
remnant throughout time(everone else would never listen) may we all be ready when it's
time to rebuild this country after it has fallen in a mighty way. God will bring us
back, even if we are kicking and screaming.
God Bless you Kevin,
Steve H
Subj: a few comments
Date: 7/15/99 9:46:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: aelewis[@]provide.org (Alan E Lewis)
Reply-to: aelewis[@]provide.org (Alan E
Lewis)
To: Kevin4VFT@aol.com
Fascinating. Absolutely fascinating. Have not been able to get off
your site ALL DAY. Great stuff. But then I've always had a soft spot
for the ultra-iconoclastic.
I am not a christian, and it is unlikely that I will become one.
Nevertheless, many of your words hit key buttons within me, and
resonate deeply in spots. Thanks.
I am also not a pacifist (though I had toyed with it in my youth),
tending in the opposite direction in recent years. My interest in the
ability to exert violent force is not that of a social Darwinist, or
statist, or one who thinks others somehow inferior or deserving of
violent treatment. Rather, it is that of one who sees -- as per
Rummel's work, of which you are to your credit well aware -- the
vulnerability of the people to state terrorism, and the need for a
means of citizen's defense. Important reading along these lines,
that influenced me very much: http://jpfo.org/L-laws.htm
Much more that I could say, but it gets into fundamental issues
that are too time- and energy-intensive to address right now. I just
wanted to say that I enjoyed your site and your spirit thoroughly.
Most refreshing... a man of principle.
Also (minor point): there are a lot of dead/bad links on your pages,
e.g. http://members.aol.com/VF95Theses/paradigm.htm ("NOT FOUND"). I
realize that with such an extensive site, it is difficult or
impossible to keep track of everything. I know this from the few web
pages of my own -- quite laborious to keep updating.
Sincerely,
Alan Lewis
Dear
Craig4Congress,
I like your website. It's clear. It's informative.
It's interesting.
Not that I think most voters ever read anything -- some will
read as far as the headlines only. A mere few will spend any time actually reading
your very hard work.
However, and I say this sincerely, based on actual experience to
boot: It is never a mistake demonstrate in your writing that you respect the
intelligence of your readers. Even really stupid people respond favorably to an
assumption of their intelligence.
I think your website succeeds laudably in this regard.
If I think of anything you might consider adding, omitting,
changing, I won't hesitate to mention it. Right now, I think it's terrific.
Love,
Amy
Amy
Craig Slay
PO Box 27, Branson, MO 65615
Temporary Phone: 417-334-2210
No Fax.
Email: slayamy[@]bigfoot.net
Date: April 23, 2002 10:25 PM
Author: Ana Baptist
"The liberal attack ("modernism") had a profound effect on the Church,
resulting in Fundamentalism and its mutant descendants, such as Dispensationalism. The
Church has still not recovered. Futurism has been a disaster. Full acceptance of
dominion-oriented worldviews may be waiting for the consistent Preterist Paradigm."
-that's a classic. Go Kevin!
(http://freebooks.forums.commentary.net/forums/Index.cfm?Message_ID=55057)
The above was from an online forum. I have participated in several online forums
which have provided an opportunity to test material that later became more permanent
webpages. Webpages have their purpose, but so does conversation.
Subj: the self-justification that wasn't
Date: 8/1/00 1:44:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: andrewxxx[@]hotmaill.com
To: KEVIN4VFT@aol.com
greetings,
i wanted to tell you how thoroughly stimulating your V&FT website is.
i've been reading parts of it on and off for about five months now, and it
never ceases to provide me with some interesting ideas.
but before i establish too much false ethos, let me disclose in good faith
that i am a rabid, christian-hating product of late-twentieth-century
secular suburban materialism.
i could spend endless hours and horribly boring infinities of words in
describing my "worldview" (this kind of lead-in means i'm going to try to
*not* analyze everything and end up doing it anyway), but i'm never very
impressed by my own philosophizing (Ecc. 10:12-14) and i suspect you are
insightful enough to understand (plus there are numerous scriptures on the
topic) that humans use our big brains chiefly to rationalize a course of
action we've already decided on for emotional or Self-ish reasons -- I've
always liked the fact that Psalm 14 reads, "The fool has said in his
HEART..." and not "..in his MIND", although I guess the whole
mind/body/spirit split wasn't a really prevalent idea at the time, in the
modern context it is a dead-on assessment of how our Selves keep house.
what i meant to say in that one-sentence paragraph is that i eschew the view
of my fellow god-hating hedonists that our atheism was arrived at ex-nihilo
through the Inviolabile Laws of Pure Logic. (i've always enjoyed pointing
out to my godless brethren that, given the high degree of brutality found in
"rational" civilizations, the humanists' application to politics, economics,
and social engineering of their faith in Man the Thinker as his own solution
is either totally unfounded or, if true, maybe they're not rationalizing
loud enough -- a joke/allusion to Elijah that invariably flies right over
their heads (although you could probably, like your "Evolution and Genocide"
page, draw some very interesting parallels between modern mass-cultural
destruction-lust and the frenzied self-mutilation of the priests of Baal).
in any case, i do not consider the strictures of western dialectic any more
relevant to arriving at The Truth than is personal faith or, for that
matter, standing on one's head and saying the alphabet backwards.
to pick up more explicitly on my original intent of partial Self-Disclosure:
my parents met at a United Pentecostal Church bible college. after
pastoring for a while they left the denomination when i was three years of
age. about half of our extended family is still UPC/Apostolic, with the
other half running the spectrum between UPC and more moderate, perfunctory
denominations. most of them have been to seminary and/or pastored for some
period of time.
for the next ten years my immediate family bounced around several of those
non-denominational congregations that always come along to fill unused
retail space in deserted suburban strip malls. i never really felt at home
in any church that we attended for a number of reasons, the main one being
that i couldn't figure out why church was so boring and felt essentially
just like day care or public school, and had no real strength or texture.
for example, we (i had two sisters) had family bible hour every night at my
house -- my father would read aloud from the bible (he liked Proverbs
because in addition to its subject of godly wisdom it has a chapter for
every day of the average month) and he would frequently stop and have us
fill in the next phrase, or he would just have us take turns reading. of
course, this meant going to sunday morning church was a matter of enduring
the boredom of hearing some strange twentysomething lady who changed every
few months rehashing the standard bible stories for us over and over with
little inspiration. to this day i can't help cracking up whenever i see one
of those flannelgraph display boards -- "Can you say "Suh-MARE-uh-tin? I
knew you could!"
so by the time i was six years old i already had developed a Sense of Not
Belonging to both the secular AND religious worlds. in fact, the *only*
place in which i felt part of the Fabric was at home or at family reunions.
it's strange because i actually feel crippled by my strong attachment to my
family. i think issues of perceived personal suitability are probably
relative to the society in which one matures, and i've come to the
conclusion that it was a 'mistake' for my parents to raise us with such a
strong emphasis on the family -- since most other kids are raised only
superficially by their parents (daycare/neglect/tv) with no strong family
structure, they have no sense of loyalty to anything other than their own
entertainment and are only capable of superficial attachments to other human
beings, which is good for the society at large because it supplies a
citizenry so disconnected from themselves and each other that they become
free to join corporate industry and mass consumerism. i, on the other hand,
am not terribly interested in making lots of money or driving a fancy car,
so i tend to adjust my life around how it will affect my interaction with
family and close friends, so people think [rightly so] that i "have no
ambition", which is the worst thing you can say about someone these days.
this history of an enduring family bond is why i can be a somewhat
lackluster atheist and yet still find your arguments for Christian
Patriarchal Anarchy both unfrivolous and compelling.
however, it was also this early development of an outcast identity that
later pushed me out of the church entirely. [alan paton's very moving novel
"Cry, the Beloved Country" deals with this phenomenon -- when the family
structure in South Africa is broken (by forces such as industrial
development and ecological changes) and the City becomes a teeming orphanage
of lost manchildren, of what value are the old ways? in it, a poor country
pastor goes to Johannesburg to try to find both his son and some kind of
redemption for the family structure amidst a socioeconomic system that seems
designed to destroy it].
anyway, although i do not believe that my apostasy is based wholly upon
spite for the hypocrisy of others, it is certainly true that almost as soon
as i entered the adolescent questioning period i became disillusioned with
the Church in general. a good bit of it was simply pride, since i knew that
i had a better scriptural background than many of the "pillars" of any
church we attended it was hard for me to respect them and thus, the church
(and thus, eventually, christianity in general), and although i wasn't sure
what true christianity really was, i became more convinced that the modern
american version wasn't it. when i would attend youth rallies, we were told
that we would be persecuted by others if we became "radical teens for
christ", but the message never quite rang true -- partly because, living in
the texas bible belt, everyone else already *was* at the rally on friday
night and they didn't seem particularly "radical" on monday in school.
every once in a while, some cookie-cutter politically-oriented
fundamentalist writes a letter to the editor in which they decry their
perceived persecution for "supporting christian morals which the world
considers radical". i am always amused by this, knowing that the author is
most likely a member of some well-institutionalized denomination that has
ceased even being a religion and instead is merely part of the american
culture -- a totally arbitrary, geographical consequence of the accident of
birth with no meaningful spiritual substance to back it up.
"no," i think at them, "my problem with you is not that you are radical
but
that you are in fact NOT RADICAL ENOUGH".
after a while i began to think of politics as a moebius strip -- if you keep
going farther on one side you'll eventually end up on the other side. this
is why i can be decidedly un impressed with the idea of prayer in public
schools and yet feel that if the branch davidians wanted to secede onto
their privately-owned property and live their lives away from the rest of us
then let's just leave them alone. that whole situation was a miniature
version of the cold war arms race:
--the BDs felt the government would try to stop them from practicing their
religion [technically true] so they prepared to defend themselves against
the "evil empire".
--the BATF felt that the BDs were massing munitions in an effort to
contravert existing laws [technically true] so they prepared to defend the
law against the "criminals".
it seems to me that if we had true religious liberty then the BDs could have
simply lived out their beliefs in privacy without any need to own anything
more than a few rifles for hunting food. even if they were crazy religious
nuts (triply redundant, to be sure) as long as they're on their property
among their people, what do my opinions matter? i still hold out hope for
the virtue of tolerance, by which i mean a Star-Trek Federation style Prime
Directive (basically, non-interference in the development or proceedings of
other cultural systems).
well i've been thinking and typing for about an hour now and it's past time
for me to go to bed so i can get up in the morning and go to my job to earn
money to buy things to stave off the terrible aching emptiness of modern
life.
hehe, really, even though there is much in your philosophy that i would not
submit to, it is an interesting read, and i thank you for putting it up for
public education (and i also have a good deal of respect for the amount of
work that goes into crosslinking all those articles - wow!).
best regards,
andrew
| From: |
"Douglas Burlison" |
| Subject: |
Re: [southwest_missouri_libertarian_party] Minutemen resources |
| Date: |
Sun, May 6, 2007 12:36 pm |
| To: |
"Craig for Congress" <KevinCraig@KevinCraig.US> |
Kevin,
Awesome info you have put together here, thank
you very much!
Doug
[Elected City Councilman, Springfield, MO]
|
Subj: Re: The United States Constitution
Date: 6/9/00 9:45:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: GEORGEGAL
To: KEVIN4VFT
Subject: Re: The United States Constitution
Date: Fri, Jun 09, 2000 3:03 PM
From: KEVIN4VFT
Message-id: <20000609150314.18425.00002783@nso-bd.aol.com
Hello Kevin. :-)
I am a Christian who believes that prayer (at least!) should be allowed in
schools. I just wanted you to know that I find your posts VERY interesting and
informative. I am not very knowledgeable on this topic of separation of church and state
or the Christian roots of our nation. I do know that our roots are Christian - I
just don't know all the details about it. I appreciate your hard work and research on
it.
Your comment (below) especially intrigued me......
<
(in school) by law. The State claims that children are being taught all the important
things they need to know there, so they must be forced by law to attend. By ripping
"religion, morality and knowledge" out of the schools, students are given the
message that these ideals of the Founding Fathers are not really important.>>
When you look at it from that
perspective, by prohibiting religion in mandatory schools, government is
definately violating the constitution. They have made a law "prohibiting the
free exercise thereof". I sincerely believe that the original intention of that 1st
amendment was to protect religion, not get rid of it.
Even in the Preamble to the constitution, it is obvious that the writers included God in
their decisions....because they list as the 6th reason for establishing the constitution
"to secure the blessings of liberty'.
I also find it extremely hypocritical of *anti-religion* people to use the celebrations
of Jesus' birth, crucifixion, and resurrection for time off - while prohibiting school
children to even mention His Holy name amid the lies of Satan Claus, Easter
Bunny, etc. I can somewhat understand this, given the histories of Christmas and
Easter....but what about "Good Friday"? Regardless of whether the date is true
and correct or not, there's no 'fairy tale' to cover up what that celebration is all
about. They just call that whole time period 'spring break'.
If prohibiting religion in public schools is government's attempt to protect
itself from being accused of 'establishing a religion'......then why do they continue to
nationally close all schools (as well as most government-run establishments) in
observance of strictly Christian holidays? They don't do this for any other
religion's holidays! Hypocrites!
If athiests truly want ALL religion out of the schools and out of the government.....I
dare them to demand that all public schools, as well as all government run
establishments, be OPEN on Christmas, Good Friday, and Easter!!
LOL! Can you just picture that?
Christians being forced to go to work and send their children to school on
Christmas, Good Friday, and Easter.
Christians rising up in defense of their faith.............
Could be another *Great Awakening*! ;-) AMEN!
Onward Christian Soldier!
Many Blessings to you Kevin
Annette
Subj: You sneaky bugger! LOL!
Date: 6/13/00 10:04:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: GEORGEGAL
To: KEVIN4VFT
Hi Kevin!
Well - I saw the posting by * Xmaspiracy*.
(sneaky-sneaky!) LOL! But gee-oh-whiz Kevin .... you should have removed the
name-calling bit!
Oh well - I'll just keep lurking to see what kind of responses it gets. :-)
Thanks for doing my "dirty work". :-)
BTW - I absolutely LOVED the post where someone told you not to call them fools
and liars....and you replied with the scriptures that do just that. That was
excellent Kevin! It isn't you or me who call them those things.........GOD says they are
those things, therefore they ARE, and they must deal with it.
Many blessings to you for your hard work in HIS name.
Annette
I am a theonomist with an evidential flair. Thanks for your article. very helpful. I
don't see many theonomists nowadays that even accept historical or evidential proofs.
You know of anyone else besides yourself?
|
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| Subj: |
Paper |
| Date: |
6/30/2001 8:08:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time |
From: waynewhitmer[@]home.org
(Wayne Whitmer)
To: KEVIN4VFT@aol.com
|
Kevin,
Your apology displays maturity, and may Jesus Christ be
praised. It wasn't so much your disagreement with the Session as it was the
method you chose to communicate such. In all honesty, we have all been where you
were on a particular matter or practice within our churches.
Wayne
Hi, Kevin - you don't know me, but you have become my friend over these last
weeks. I've been meaning to write just to let you know what an impact your Vine
& Fig Tree website has been having on me; but first, I ask with trepidation - why
are all the pages gone today? There are some of the main pages, but all links are
gone. I'm hoping that you are doing maintenance or something, but I'm freaked out
enough to write because I don't want to lose touch with what you are doing.
Your pages have caused me to do some serious thinking and have opened my eyes to the
truth that I feel was always right in front of me and just blurred by all the religious
stuff that is crammed down your throat by other well meaning Christians that are
supposed to be more mature and knowledgable. I've been holding on to my faith by
the skin of my teeth these last years and it all felt so fake, this trying to have a
relationship/friendship with God where I tell him all my troubles and ask Him to help me
and then nothing really changes and the pain just keeps growing inside. What a
warped and self centered way to live and "worship"! I once knew better,
when Christ first got through to my stubborn heart, before I decided that since I was
now a Christian, I must go to church. The church taught all sorts of things that
made me uncomfortable and they only frowned when I said something spiritual so I figured
they were supposed to be the mature Christians that I was supposed to learn from.
But it all felt wrong, and I lost my heart and God became an attendance
obligation. Fortunately, I haven't gone for years because I finally admitted to
myself how empty and futile it all was and I wanted to regain that honest relationship
that I once had with God and grow from there. For years, I've
floundered. Until my daughter, came across you and turned me on. And the
Truth is setting me free! I think in this way, God is answering my prayers.
So, I've wanted to tell you that I am grateful for all the time and work you've put into
this and for the exposure by putting yourself out there. I want to learn
more! And I'm hoping your pages will be back and that there's nothing more
seriously wrong. If something has happened with AOL, please let me know where I
can find you again on the web. I can't stop now.............
Take care,
Barbara Spivey
bkd3[@]juno.net
Kevin,
As I'm reading your A-T website I just came up with the original idea
that you should write a book ( with the A-T theme of course ). You're
really a very bright person
and your essays have excellent, accurate and revolutionary content.
If you ever write a book I wanted to suggest a similar format
as Kenneth Boa's book "Conformed to His Image"-
(I'll send you the Barnes and Noble page right after this).
Basically it's textbook size, hardcover, has good-sized print
so a reader
does not have to squint, and room for 544 pages, and the
chapters are layed out nicely in sections.
When I was in Calgary the last two years I discovered a bookstore
called Christian Publications and I proceeded to read 70 books in
70 weeks.
The quality of your writing is far above any of authors I read.
Blessings, signed Bernie P. Brauer, Vancouver,B.C.
Canada
Hi Kevin:
The website is amazing and comes to me at a time where clarity of vision is crucial to
the next steps in my walk ... and of course, in the nature of divine providence, your
site showed up in my browsing a couple of days ago.
It is wonderful to me to see, in print, an explanation of things that have been in my
heart for years, but which did not have the benefit of clear understanding of their
reasons or origins ... I will give only one example ... about 25 years ago I all but
stopped watching TV, followed later by cessation of reading news magazine, listening
to the radio, etc ... but I wasn't certain why I had done this at the time. In recent
years and even months, the reason has become much clearer ... it is easier to hear the
soft, loving voice of God when is it not competing with a tidal wave of lies.
As you are certainly aware, many of the links on the aol members site are broken ...
articles whose titles whet my appetite to read more! Have these been reproduced
elsewhere, or are they no longer available? A sample broken link is
"Justification by Allegiance":
http://VFTonline.org/Patriarchy/definitions/justification.htm
Best regards,
Arthur Knight Hammer
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Dear James Kevin Craig,
Are you there?
This website ( AnarchoTheocracy ) is awesome.
Just what I've been searching for, some sort of merger between
libertarianism/anarchism and The Bible/Christianity.
Blessings,
Bernie Brauer ( Bernard Peter Brauer )
Vancouver, BC, Canada
1-800-613-7083 - ( works from U.S. )
| From: |
"Bernie" <noreply-comment[@]blogger.com> |
| Subject: |
[Kevin Craig For Congress Blog] 7/14/2006 11:01:06 PM |
| Date: |
Fri, July 14, 2006 11:01 pm |
| To: |
blog@KevinCraig.US |
Sorry Kevin,
You know that's not true.
I was just in a non-serious whimsical mood.
I have the greatest respect for you,
"The smartest guy in the USA".
I bet you if I came down there
to help you in your camapaign
your votes would be ten times what
they were in the last election.
It happens quite a bit,
I joke around, make off the cuff remarks, goes over people's heads
and I get in trouble.
You're way better than
all your opponents,
everybody should vote for you.
You would be the next Ron Paul,
but above and beyond him
because you have
the strongest religious
and moral foundation I've
ever seen.
Missouri people would prosper
immensely with your leadership.
--
Posted by Bernie to Kevin
Craig For Congress Blog at 7/14/2006 11:01:06 PM
|
This is great stuff. This is exactly the very
thoughts I have been having myself. I wish I could talk to you a little while
over the phone to pick your brain on a couple of issues I am dealing with, if
that is OK with you. My number is 800-357-0426.
Bob
Dear Kevin,
I just wanted to thank you for your Vine & Fig Tree website, which
I ran into while websurfing. I am a Christian and an anarcho-capitalist, and I
am very disturbed that most Christians today are willing to exalt the State and its
systematic violence. I am also upset at the post-9/11 hysteria,
in which the government is trying to create a police state and many Americans are
falling for it. I have reached many of the conclusions that you have.
I agree with your interpretation on America's Revolutionary War---Christians do not
have a responsibility to violently overthrow the government. I also agree with
your views on so-called "rights," a concept to which most libertarians
cling, but has no Scriptural basis.
Peace in Christ,
Brannon
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Subj: "Where do you worship"? article
Date: 5/9/00 12:42:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: george.w[@]telus.com (Fred Nevakshonoff)
Reply-to: fredthesojourner[@]telus.com
To: KEVIN4VFT@aol.com
Dear Brother Kevin,
I thoroughly enjoyed the reading of this article. The mindset of the
institutionalized church is so impervious to the falsehood of their
belief system, based on human tradition, that it will take a supreme act
of God to rescue His people from their captivity.
Brother Fred
Subj: from old L'Abri list; Death Penalty; web site
Date: 5/11/00 7:04:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: jennyl[@]interpoint.com (Jennifer Lemieux)
To: Kevin4VFT@aol.com
Kevin,
I don't know if you remember me from the L'Abri list (which moved to the
chalet lists). After your father passed away, I don't remember seeing you
on there anymore.
I was going through my bookmarks, and came across your web site you had
mentioned when the subject of the Death Penalty came up on the list some
time ago. I was just reading through it; capital punishment is something
I've been thinking about and studying up on recently. Being against capital
punishment as an evangelical is certainly rare. I wanted to tell you that
what you've written on the Death Penalty is really excellent.
I wavered back and forth for years on capital punishment, not knowing what
the real Christian position is on it. Overwhelmingly since becoming a
Christian, people I have met said the Bible not only approved of capital
punishment, but that biblical justice demanded that it be carried out. It's
great to read your web site with all the biblical evidence against it.
On the page that explains your pacifism, it talks about capital punishment,
but do you also believe that there is no such thing as a just war?
I hope you are doing well.
In Christ,
Jennifer Lemieux
your site is one of the most interesting i have ever seen on the enet.
my mate introduced me to social credit, as i understand it you have hit upon
the same problem in our modern money system.
i'll have to learn alot more about it as im fairly unfamilair with economics
etc but i am getting there.
regards Carlos.
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Subj: From Cece in Las Vegas
Date: 7/28/00 6:12:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: pops-01[@]prodigy.com (Michael J Evanoff)
To: VFTINC@aol.com
Greetings:
I love your website! I was searching for information on Maurice Strong and boom up came
your website. You have quite a bit of information collected. My partner Lynn, AKA the
lawyer from H.E.L.L., and I have a radio show on KLAV 1230 AM talk radio, airing
Thursdays 6-8pm. We can also be heard live over the Internet at www.klav1230am.com . We
have been educating the public over the air waves about Agenda 21 and other related
topics. Would love to hear from you and maybe schedule a show with you.
You may contact me by e-mail at pops-01[@]prodigy.com. In the subject box please state
to Cece. Sincerely, Cece
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Love your page! |
| Date: |
7/31/2001 5:47:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time |
From: pops-01[@]prodigy.com
(Cece)
To: Kevin4VFT@aol.com
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Kevin,
It's great to find people who are aware of Maurice and the
boys.
Cece
[Maurice
Strong]
Subj: Re: [Re: [Late breaking developments]]
Date: 7/13/99 10:09:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: kuros-ray[@]usa.com
To: KEVIN4VFT@aol.com
Thanks.
I'm plagarizing you big time. (in a discussion group). I reference your web
page every once and a while, so I don't feel very guilty.
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Subj: RE: client -- $$
Date: 3/10/00 12:40:04 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: crea[@]jenkins.com (Rea, Cyrus F.)
To: KEVIN4VFT@aol.com ('KEVIN4VFT@aol.com')
I recommended several good aggresive Labor Law
attorneys here in town.
Seems like a nice guy.
Incidentally, some wacko gun collector/conspiracy/militia type guy I know
recently read your website. He says you are a genius and he is getting rid
of all his guns, etc., etc. Who would have thought.
This is an amazing web site...1000 pages of sound theology, theology that
has mostly been forgotten. Did you do it all yourself? If so, HOW? If
not, how many others worked with you? Where do you plan to go with this web
site? Need any help?
Blessings!
Clark
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Hello |
| Date: |
10/4/2001 2:15:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time |
From: davidschwan[@]yahoo.co.uk
(David Schwan)
To: VFTINC@aol.com
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I saw the web site and I was impressed because I share
many of the beliefs professed. Would it be possible to
have any futher information on what the beleifs are of
the organsation? If possible that would be great. David
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Hi Kevin,
OK, I took the bait and read "Why I Am Not a Lawyer" more in depth. I
admire your courage and tenacity to litigate your case all the way to
the Supreme Court. It is highly instructive and eye-opening to have a
recent example of what the Supreme Court really believes. It is
heartbreaking to read the Summers case, although Justice Black's dissent
is encouraging. You have done an invaluable service to the Lord's people
by compiling so much info on the current disposition of our courts,
history, etc. A good friend of mine, who never was or is a conscientious
objector, nevertheless resigned his commission in the Air Force 30 years
ago because he was concerned that he could no longer swear to uphold the
Constitution as it was even then being interpreted by the US courts. Had
he not resigned in '72, I'm sure that Roe v. Wade in '73 would have
brought his resignation. Would to God that more men took their oaths
seriously.
If I were in your shoes, however, I am not certain that I would feel
compelled to understand the oath to "support the constitution" in the
same way the courts have erroneously understood it. It seems that you
are allowing the courts' godless judment on certain oaths to bind your
own conscience? Why not be bound by the clearly theocratic judgment of
earlier courts? Could you have sworn to support the Constitution using
the language required by CA while intending the earlier theocratic view
(especially since this was the view of our founders), or is it that your
conscience requires you to take an explicitly Christian and Trinitarian
oath? I suppose you will say that intending your own theocratic view is
like "crossing your fingers" because the expectation of the court is
clearly that you intend what you say in the way they understand it as
taught by case law, and I would agree that such an act would indeed be a
violation of conscience, albeit with the most unfortunate consequences.
I wonder if you have any info on conscientious objectors to war? I am
one; however, I am not presently associated with a denomination which
holds this position (Reformed Baptist), and I seem to remember reading
that this is an important test. I would be grateful for your opinion as
to what kind of documentation / evidence I would need to present should
a new conscription law be passed. I have not yet reached the conclusion
that force is never justified even in self-defense, though I am growing
toward it, but neither could I use such force in good faith, which makes
it sin to me. I could certainly not take the required oaths, nor place
myself under the command of one who might order me to kill another
unjustly.
Again, thanks for all your work.
In Christ's bonds,
David
I found your Web site on Google while looking for, believe it or not, an
article on Nimrod as the founder of the State. I was acting on a hunch
that I should look for this because I have a copy of "Babylon, Mystery
Religion" by Ralph Woodrow, 1966, which explores the origin of pagan
worship in the legends surrounding Nimrod, Tammuz, etc. Having come to
see by many other readings that Church and State are intertwined in
paganism, I wondered if I could find justification that it was so right
from the beginning. Your articles on Nimrod answer my question, and I am
so delighted to find quotes from scholars whom I respect such as Calvin
and Gill. There is some good material on the net regarding Babylonism,
but much of it seems to be connected with the false prophet William
Branham or hyperdispensational stuff quoting Charles Larkin, so it is
hard to know how much can be believed. Even now I am not certain of the
Nimrod / Tammuz origin of pagan worship, though the concept of the
pontiff king in paganism is well established.
How wonderful that Christ alone is the rightful High Priest and High
King, and that His kingdom is made up of believer-priests who reign with
Him. For any man to claim the same offices as Christ is expressly
antiChristian.
I am extremely pleased to find a site which so thoroughly and
attractively expresses the position I have been coming to. I am a
Reformed Baptist, and as I have studied postmil thought and more
recently libertarian thought at LRC, I have come to synthesize these
positions to see Christ as the Only Rightful Archist who is presently in
the business of putting down "all rule and authority and power" (I Cor.
15:23-24). True liberty can prevail only when men acknowledge the
rightful headship of Christ and when every man (w/ no waivers for
"government men") obeys the royal law of love. Man can never rule with
the wisdom nor mercy nor effectiveness of our Lord and Saviour. Indeed,
He alone is worthy and would that all men acknowledge His worthiness!
Thank you thank you thank you. You have so much material that it will
take me weeks to read it all. Have you submitted any of your articles to
LRC? I would think that your articles would be a welcome addition to his
"Christianity and Liberty" archive, albeit Lew may not appreciate your
perspective on the Church, as he is Catholic. But then again, he courts
a wide variety of libertarian opinion, so I would think it worth a try.
By all means, get people to your Web site. It's fantastic! I am ecstatic
to see the Internet being used as a tool to expose the great
humanistic, antiChristian system of Church and State. So much has been
lost in 200 years, but curious minds are now surfing for answers
again....
David Cxxxxxxx
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
This e-mail is intended as private correspondence. If you wish to
publish it any form, please ask my permission before doing so.
"Tyranny and freedom are equally nonpartisan."
-- Joseph Sobran
Hi,
I was just reading your work: <http://members.aol.com/VFTfiles/thesis/summaryAT.htm>.
I would like to distribute it to some friends, so I'm curious whether you have it
available as a single document.
-Gabe
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the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth... |
| Date: |
4/22/2001 4:12:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time |
From: gauthier[@]ncia.com (Stephen J. Gauthier)
Reply-to: gauthier[@]ncia.com
To: VFTINC@aol.com
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Thanks so much for a great resource...I am teaching a sunday school
lesson this morning on truthfulness and came across your website this
morning..I wish I had found it earlier...I need to eat breakfast and get
to church! Thanks again, I will be back.
A Brother in Christ
Hi Kevin
I haven't
got as much spare time these days, but I'm going post a devil's advocate post for you.
Hopefully, it'll stir up the natives.
By the
way, if I haven't told you before ... you're a genius!
Graeme
Dear Mr. Craig,
I was introduced to Rushdoony's material in 1978. I have read
most of his books over the years and much of the Christian Reconstructionist material,
as well. I know who you are.
I have always kept aloof from movements, CR is no exception.
However, if I had been involved in CR, I probably would have been excommunicated as
you were, and for similar reasons.
Sometime around 1990, I decided that the CR movement had crested
theologically. I was publishing a small magazine at the time called "The
Family Spokesman", in which I explained to my tiny following why I believed we
needed a new paradigm in theology and social philosophy.
Anyway, thank you for your hard work, your prolific, well-written
theses, and your earnest commitment to "The Way".
I hope we may find opportunity for dialogue and fellowship.
From the high hills of north Idaho,
James Wesley Stivers
Greetings brother Kevin in the glorious name of our Saviour and King!
I found your website, in a way, by the grace and providence of God. In
brief, I was reading a Dictionary.com entry for the word "derogatory" and
saw a phrase "derogatory clause in a testament" (Law)... So I did a Google
search for that phrase (
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=derogatory+clause+in+a+testament+legal+example&btnG=Search&meta=
) and I followed this link: http://members.aol.com/TestOath/Vidal.htm
From there, of course, I visited the Contents page, but eventually tried the
link "V&FT".
Upon a brief perusing of Vine & Fig Tree:
WOW.
I especially enjoyed the simple truth you put together here:
http://members.aol.com/VFTINC/70/GentryHP.htm
I myself have come to the understanding of fulfilled prophecy/convenant
eschatology over the last 4 or 5 months, and as the Lord has led me on this
journey, I have found myself questioning many other "Sacred Doctrinal Cows".
Of late I find myself considering the whole issue of the structure of New
Testament gatherings of believers vs. the 'Christian Synagogues' of today
:^|
My question to you is this:
Your excellent website, apparently more than 1000 pages - is it available on
a single CD? I would love to send a donation your way to cover the costs as
well as to support your unique and much-appreciated ministry.
Please let me know, as I am sure others have made similar requests.
Thanks in advance, and may the peace of Christ continue to reign in your
heart.
Darren Dirt
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Subj: I am very interested in Vine and Fig Tree.
Date: 11/9/00 10:32:43 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: JHem606662
To: VFT INC
Sir,
I am interested in anacrcho christian pacifism.I came across your web page
and was very delighted!I am a christian and did not know what my beliefs were
called.I am wanting to know what books,authors,christian groups that are
pacifist and anarchist thenomist?
I am interested in vine and fig tree.My name
and address is:Joel Hembree,7824 N.Oregon Av.Kansas City,Mo 64151
Subj: Enjoyed your article
Date: 5/21/99 3:58:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: jim39[@]ver1.telmex.mx (Jim B. Hendrix-Weidner)
To: KEVIN4VFT@aol.com
Visited your site and enjoyed reading. I am a missionary and a preterist. Keep up the
good work.
Jim B. Hendrix
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Hello,
No. That would be waaay to much work. If your website were a city it would be an
urban sprawl! Following a topic on your site is much like hunting rabbit.
Your quarry is elusive can easily cunfuse you about it's location if you aren't paying
close attention. On the other hand. That's one reason people like
rabbit hunting (other than eating the rabbit). It is satisfying when you finally
catch up to it.
I've been reading your website on and off for a few years now. I remember
reading somewhere on your site that your name was removed from later editions of some
recon. publication. Yeah. Christians can be real lunkheads at times.
I myself am no exception. I went through a phase like that. Praise God it didn't
last long. I'm much more tolerant of other's foibles now that I'm so well
acquainted with my own. As a matter of fact I can't remember the last time
I've been outraged and offended. LOL. I heartily agree with your printed opinion
about the difference between theocracy and ecclesiocracy, BTW.
Grace,
James Kevin Cox
P.S. I really enjoy your site on the whole. Very challenging and thought
provoking. Which by itself sets it apart from the myriad pap sites on the
web. kudos.
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| Subj: |
Interesting.... |
| Date: |
3/9/2001 8:22:34 AM Pacific Standard Time |
From: comload[@]integrityonline.org
(Comstock)
To: VFTINC@aol.com
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Your website is very interesting. We've been coming to
many of the same conclusions. I just wanted to thank you for all that work!
Jan Comstock
Gilroy, CA
Hi Kevin,
I found your site through surfing this morning, and not
only do you have humour, Grin, to your site, but
such encouraging truth of the Bible. You have a real knack in presenting truth without
it sounding judgemental.
I have been searching this past while as to why the very
Churchs I started my Christian walk in are so soon leaving the teachings I first
learned, to allowing the deception to enter in so blindly. The more I study, I have
had to leave where I had been attending to only find the next one was doing the very
same thing now...Just this past two weeks I have found the teaching of the Alpha
Groups and a book called The Purpose Driven Life are also out of false teachings..And
I was actually taking them as well.
So I have been searching more for the history of the Church
this past couple weeks, and am amazed on what is now available,
and wonder why the Churches are so blinded to their foundations. Then I found these
very colleges our pastors were taught in, has been lead
by false teachers from the Catholic Church..Now it is all
starting to make sense. Before the computer all my research was through reading books,
and I have about 300 plus on the bookshelf, which took much longer than online for
sure to read through. I was not a reader till I became a Christian, and then the Lord
came me such hunger for truth.
I have always felt my KJ Bible was the most accurate, and
wondered why all the newer versions were necessary to understand Gods Word, when it
says the HS is our teacher. On searching the different versions I am amazed again at
how blinded our leaders in the Church reallly are..No wonder there is no more
congregation reading of the Scripture together like we used to..
I am so thankful for all the research that others
like yourself, have put on websites to confirm what I have studied over the
years to be true. I don't have a website as yet, and would like to learn how to
set one up, to be a light to others as well, I just don't know how to do that as yet.
In His time..I was sharing with my Chiropractor about these new things I have learned
through the internet that have confirmed my believes, and he said "why don't you
go to your pastor and discuss this with him". Well, in the past when I questioned
the teachings of the leadership I was told to leave. And I doubt he would have a
listening ear, as these teachings of Alpha and The Purpose Driven Life are in full
bloom this past two years in my Church, so I choose to draw back and do my own
research online..The Lord is soooo good. I have learnt more online than the past
several years in the Church.
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quite an interesting web sight |
| Date: |
8/17/2001 8:59:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time |
From: czb9zj[@]dwh.delphiauto.net
(Jeff Neubacher)
Sender: czb9zj[@]dwh.delphiauto.net
To: VFTINC@aol.com
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I have been looking for something like this for quite some time. Do you
know any people that may live in Michigan with your same beliefs? I
would like to get a hold of some people to learn and talk more about
this. Also I am looking for an unpolitical bible to read can you
recomend one to me?
Thank you,
Jeff
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Re: quite an interesting web sight |
| Date: |
8/20/2001 4:16:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time |
From: czb9zj[@]dwh.delphiauto.net
(Jeff Neubacher)
Sender: czb9zj[@]dwh.delphiauto.net
To: VFTINC@aol.com
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Well the one thing the intrigued me the most was the concept of anarchism and
Christianity.
The other thing was interesting to me was that I believe you are a lawyer or were
practicing to be a lawyer is that correct? I am very interested in the law and history
of this country. I do not believe in the income tax and the social security tax and I
think they are unconstitutional plus I am against the coercion of the non
governmental entity of the IRS. Of course those aren't the only issues I have
against the government. About christianity can you explain to me more about you in this
arena are you a preacher of some kind? do you have a church?
As for me I have the utmost faith in God. I don't have the same faith in churches. I
truly believe God is very close to my heart and God has answered most of my prayers. I
say most because the ones he didn't answer were I think humanist not spiritual or Godly.
I haven't read through the complete bible although I have read the new testament all the
way through. The bible I had read was the new king james version. I cannot recite
scripture like I suppose most christian scholars can but that doesn't mean I don't want
to learn. But then again that's why I wanted to write to you because that
vine and fig tree web sight was very interesting and educational to me.
So I suppose that's what I was referring to when I said your beliefs. If
you can tell me more about you and what other beliefs you may have other than the latter
please let me know. In the mean time I will search the web for your other sights maybe
those will give me more insight about you.
Thanx,
Jeff
Subj: Great Stuff!
Date: 11/11/00 4:27:36 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: jerryleonard9999[@]yahoo.com (Jerry Leonard)
To: KEVIN4VFT@aol.com
Hi Kevin
Tori told me about your web page months ago and I have been soaking it
up ever since. It is the most awesome thing I've seen out there... and I
had access to the web well before the public ever heard of it!
I especially liked: WHY I WORSHIP A VIOLENT, VENGEFUL GOD
WHO ORDERS ME TO BE LOVING AND
NON-VIOLENT
That was brilliant and encouraging. I'm also studying Preterism like
crazy... I agree with some of it, but don't buy it all. The "Christmas
Conspiracy" was also fascinating to read.
Anyway, I just wanted to encourage you as you have encouraged me. I
independently reached all the same political conclusions you did about
the NWO and the murderous legacy of the eugenics movement (I've even
written some unpublished books about it), how the right and left are
controlled for the same ends (I've studied in detail exactly how it all
works), and your theological research answered a lot of questions I've
always had. I'm working my way through your 95 theses, as we speak. I've
been a Christian my whole life, so I always appreciate a well-documented
and challenging approach, which allows me to see what the Bible is
really trying to say. Unfortunately, the modern Church doesn't teach any
of this. Your web site has really made me sit up and take notice. You
really have done a tremendous job thinking all this out and putting it
together. It's absolutely brilliant and often hilarious!
Well, I hope you are doing well and continue to publish this great
stuff.
Thanks!
Jerry Leonard (Austin, TX)
First if all, Kevin, thank you for your website. I obviously have
not been through it all yet (that may take months) but I have downloaded it to my PDA
to review. It may take buying a new memory card to get everything I need to
review the site, but it is an expenditure I think will be well worth it.
[snip]
Still, your website make me think and encourages me in "living
heavenly now." I suppose that was your main objective.
Looking forward to your thoughts.
Hi Kevin,
Just thought I'd let you know I am still reading, considering,
contemplating, and arguing with your website (VFT, Christmas Conspiracy). It is
generally forcing a mental/philosophical shift into my general presuppositions about
Christianity. In other words, my wife has found me pretty grumpy lately......
Not that I was that far. I was already a (partial) preterist,
Reformed, and theonomic (in a Jim Jordan more than a Greg Bahnsen kind of way).
We opted somewhat into the "Alternative Culture" as my wife homeschools our
two children. I had pretty much gathered that "church" as it exists now is
not what the New Testament had in mind. In fact, as Marva Dawn notes, I cannot
go to church since I AM church.
So many of the ideas expressed in your extensive website were already
bouncing in the back of my mind. You just forced them to the front.
But it is still a painful process.
The most convicting (so far) are twofold:
First, your revulsion for the "just get saved" being the
summa bonum of the moden Christian was soooo dead on. It really gave me a
jolt. Again, that was somewhat in the back of my mind, but you really forced it
to the open for me to look at. I knew it was wrong, but perhaps was still
using it as a crutch or shield from my True responsibility to Christ Jesus.
Second, you own life is a bit convicting. Getting up at 5:00 to
read the scriptures, prayer, getting meals at Isaiah House, etc. The Discipline
of a true soldier for Christ. Convicting again. Still, you had kind of a
Christian assembly (or dare I say it, church) in that environment. You were
Church.
From reading on, I see you have left that environment. What do
you do now to "not forsake assembling together."? Are you in community
now? From the description I see (so far) you seem like a man in need of
community (as we all should be).
Still not convinced that baptism and the lord's table (let's say
transformmed passover) was ended at 70 AD. But I will listen some more in that
regard.
Anyway, just a note to thank you for all your efforts. It really
makes me marvel on what the Lord Jesus Christ has accomplished.
I used to say that the Catholics had the crucifixion all figured
out. The protestants had the resurrection all figured out. But no one had
the ascension figured out.
I think I may be wrong. I think YOU have the ascension all
figured out.
Grace and Peace
Joe Morovich
Subj: Re: Christianity vs. Fascism
Date: 12/1/00 3:24 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: Mello5757
Message-id: <20001201062409.00764.00000144@ng-mm1.aol.com>
>Today, in our Orwellian world of
newspeak, "liberalism" means "socialism."
>"Freedom" means "being told what to do by the unelected Soopreme
Court."
on this historic day, the soopreme court will decide who won an election, rather than
the people. i applaud you and your views, kevin c. keep talkin'.
joanna
"if i placed my opinions above the Word of God, how could i ever hope to understand?"
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Re: Welcome to the new95theses E-Mail Group |
| Date: |
4/15/2001 1:02:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time |
From: ijmhom[@]prodigy.com
To: VFTINC@aol.com (Kevin Craig)
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Woe ! Talk about a voice crying in the wilderness ! I've read
some
of your Thesesisses (or however you spell it) I have been led by God
to some of your same conclusions. I don't agree with or "see"
everything you are saying but it is interesting. What got me started
on this journey was Home schooling and my desire to defend it
biblically. We then tried to form an "umbrella group" within the
church and I was astounded at the resistence within the church to the
family structure; even amoung "home schoolers". They wanted to
form
an institutional type of home school government or at least home
school under the institution of a church.
On the web pages are links for clairification etc...do they exist?
Have you found any other interesting web sites?
Thanks, and God bless
john
Thanks for the effort. I really find the site
fascinating and look forward to reading more. I have also enjoyed the
libertyundergod site and have been thinking/praying through some of the godly
attributes page that you have linked. I also appreciate all of the reading links
that you have for the various issues. I think we agree on the overwhelming
majority of the issues, but I don't always have hand resources, but I do now.
Thanks
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website |
| Date: |
1/2/2001 11:19:53 AM Pacific Standard Time |
From: mike.koller[@]bigfoot.net
(Michael Koller)
To: VFTINC@aol.com
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http://members.aol.com/XianAnarch/cause/bush/index.htm
Great website.
====================
DEMOCRACY: A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass
meeting or any other form of direct expression. Results in mobocracy.
Attitude toward property is communistic... negating property rights.
Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether
it is based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and
impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Result is demagogism,
license, agitation, discontent, anarchy. [U.S. Army Training Manual No.
2000-25 (1928-1932)]
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| Subj: |
Calvinist Anarchy/ Biblical Libertarianism |
| Date: |
1/10/2001 1:44:52 PM Pacific Standard Time |
From: joshua_kuebler[@]juno.net
(Joshua W Kuebler)
To: VFTINC@aol.com
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Dear Sir,
I stumbled across your site today, and I think I have finally found someone I agree
with-- someone who has not only read their Bible, but applied it to life. I
need to read some more of the documents on your site, but from what I've seen, we
agree.
I am the homeschooled, oldest (17) son of 12 kids, and in my governmental &
political studies we have reached many of the same conclusions. The main difference is
that I have called it "Biblical Libertarianism". I would be interested to
hear how you reached these beliefs, and whether their are any others with them.
Blessings, Joshua W. Kuebler
"If you wish to know how libertarians regard the state and any of its acts,
simply think of the state as a criminal band, and all of the libertarian attitudes
will logically fall into place." ---the late libertarian writer Murray Rothbard
Subj: Proudhon
Date: 9/6/00 8:35:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: LarryGambone
To: KEVIN4VFT
Hello, How pleased I am to read your
Proudhon essay. As a Proudhonist it is very exciting to see the profoundly Christian
aspect of his thought. Perhaps you would like to see my essay on him. see www.spunk.org/library/writers/proudhon/sp001863.html.
Thank you again, Yours truly., Larry Gambone
No, I am an anarchist, too. Started off libertarian but carried it through to the
logical conclusion.
Thanks for all the links and answering so promptly. Give me a chance to read and
digest, and then I will have more questions for you. I have been searching for
several years now for an answer to the paradox of "honoring the king" in
the NT but "thou shalt not steal" in the Commandments--which implies no
taxation. I'll bet your various writings hold the solution, and I can't wait to dig
in.
Blessings on you, dear brother.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 9:00 PM
Subject: Re:
In
a message dated 2/21/2004 7:00:32 PM Central Standard Time, Libertatis7[@]msn.com
writes:
What do you do with the passage in I Samuel 8 in which God warns His people,
through Samuel, of the evils of government?
I offer it as proof of my position:
1
Samuel 8: The State as Rejection of God
http://members.aol.com/xiananarch/1sam8.htm
What is your response to the parable of the trees in Judges 9?
Pretty much the same as my response to 1 Samuel 8.
Given your email name and your questions, I'm getting
the impression you're a libertarian and you're afraid that
I am a defender of the State. Nothing could be
further from the truth. I am an anarchist.
Libertarianism,
Anarchism, and Christianity
http://members.aol.com/craig4congress/LP/index.htm
Vine
& Fig Tree: A World Without "The State"
http://members.aol.com/vftfiles/Directory/5a_state.htm
A
Theonomic Defense of Anarchism
http://members.aol.com/testoath/anarchist.htm
Anarchist
Prayers: Romans 13
http://members.aol.com/testoath/Romans13.htm
A
Biblical Defense of Anarcho-Capitalism
http://members.aol.com/vftfiles/thesis/summary01.htm
Archists
Have It Completely Backwards
http://thechristmasconspiracy.com/TheBiggestLie.htm
The
Biggest Government Lie of All Time
http://thechristmasconspiracy.com/TheBigLie.htm
Calvinism
and Anarchism
http://members.aol.com/vftfiles/thesis/commentators/Calvin/thesis/index.htm
Christian
"Anarchism" In a Nutshell
http://members.aol.com/xiananarch/6points.htm
Order
without Violence
http://members.aol.com/wundrer/issues/anarchism.htm
Creationist
Anarcho-Socialism
http://members.aol.com/vftinc/home/cas.htm
Happy reading!
Hope to hear back from you again.
Kevin Craig
http://VFT.isCool.net/
---------------------------------------------
And they shall beat their swords into plowshares
and sit under their Vine & Fig Tree.
Micah 4:1-7
Dear Sir: I found your website recently. There is so much there, I wish I
had adequate time to study it all. Some of the ideas you mentioned reminded
me of those in the books written by John Senior (Roman Catholic
writer)--The Restoration of Christian Culture and The Destruction of
Christian Culture. I have also read two of Leonard Verduin's books and I'll
Take My Stand by the 12 Southerners. A couple of questions kept bothering
me as I read your website. I noticed you mentioned the American Puritans
with approval. Were they correct when they persecuted Roger Williams and
the Quakers? I've always felt uncomfortable about that--still wondering
what to think. Also, what do you think about the Still Waters Revival books
organization? I noticed that they had available for sale Theodore Beza's
book on why heretics should be liquidated, and also a book called Was the
bishop's death murder? which justified covenanters killing a bishop (Church
of England or Roman Catholic, I'm not sure which) who had persecuted
Christians. These things trouble me--I haven't sorted it all out in my
mind yet--hope you can give me some guidance. Thank you for taking the time
to read this e-mail.
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answered in America's churches. I would like to create a place where they can find
answers.
Subj: Prayer in Schools
Date: 11/15/00 8:05:01 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: dimeglio[@]bellsouth.com (Mari DiMeglio)
To: KEVIN4VFT@aol.com
Dear Kevin,
I just came across your website when I was doing research for my nephew. He is trying to
write a paper showing evidence that taking prayer out of our public schools has had many
negative affects. Could you help direct me to ways in which I can get realible
statistics in written form or video. He is limited in the amount of information that he
can use from the Internet. I am aware of David Barton, but I have been finding a hard
time finding convincing information and alot of it. I thank you for your time. I am
looking forward to reading more on your website. Your boldness and obedience to the Lord
is very encouraging. In His love,
Mari DiMeglio
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Subj: Browsing your web site
Date: 4/27/2001 9:19:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: marbrock[@]knology.com (Martin Brock)
To: VFTINC@aol.com
Hi Kevin,
I
ran across your site today. It's a real magnum opus. I can dispute a few of
your propositions, naturally, but we are definitely kindred spirits. When I saw
"life, liberty and property", I hesitated, because many libertarians don't get
"property", but when I saw your discussion of Proudhon, I realized that you're
among the exceptions. I don't dispute Bastiat, but many libertarians don't get
Bastiat either, including the ones who quote him.
I
still hesitate when I see the stuff about homosexuals. In my way of thinking,
"homosexuality" is a misnomer, because what homosexuals do isn't well
described by "sex", but I don't understand the problem with it. The
Bible has little to say about it, in reality, although the little attention it receives
isn't flattering. Heterosexuals perform the same acts, of course, but I don't
consider similar acts by heterosexuals "sex" either.
Sex
is reproductive, so what we call "oral sex" is not sex. It is sensual
pleasure for its own sake or for the sake of a relationship. Walking in a park on
a sunny day hand in hand with a woman I love romantically is also sensual pleasure.
I don't see the useful distinction, and I do believe that shared pleasure for its
own sake is a useful exercise if it cements a useful relationship.
But
I consider that difference trivial compared with our agreements. I can't go all
the way with you on the pacifist doctrine either. I agree that family is the
natural and Godly governmental structure, but I can't agree that surrendering my
familial rights and obligations to artificial government, in the name of
"peace", is an acceptable or Godly sacrifice. When the state usurps my
familial rights and obligations, it has declared war on me personally, and I cannot turn
the other cheek, regardless of any legalistic prescription, Biblical or otherwise.
We
seem to be few in number.
Martin
Kevin
I appreciate the reference sites in your recent entry to FreeBooks.com
forum. I complained about
the ones on Ayn Rand. Here I find myself delighted with the web sites you
suggest by your underlined
web site references. It was so helpful. I hope I will learn how to be able
to use this excellent tool for
Biblical references. The one on "conscience" was particularly
helpful.
Samuel served as the representative of God -The God who occupied the throne
seat over the Ark of the Cov.
The other nations had creaturely men sitting on the throne seats ruling of
their nations. This makes the
crucial difference in judicial-executive carrying out of the killing of
convicted murders and of the defense from invading
marauding armies and thugs. Thanks for sharing on the forum with
many
stimulating ideas.
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| Subj: |
Evil ACLUin |
| Date: |
7/22/2001 8:13:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time |
| From: |
GOP Baker |
| To: |
KEVIN4VFT |
Kevin,
I happen to come across your post, well, its a long story, I was looking up some supreme
court opinions and well, it was down hill.
Anyways, I saw your post about the ACLU was evil and an interesting article about it.
I've never been a big fan of the ACLU, and just wanted to drop you a line and say
hello. Great article you posted.
Mike
Kevin,
Yes, I'm in Chattanooga. I'd be glad to put you up for a few nights if you
like.
Depending on schedules and advance notice of date, I can always get 5 to 10
thoughtful men together.
Let me know anytime you are up for it. You would be very welcome.
Cordially,
Mike Ogden
-----Original Message-----
From: KEVIN4VFT@aol.com [mailto:KEVIN4VFT@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 4:56 PM
To: Mike.o[@]mail.hamiltontn.gov
Subject: "Choo-Choo Town?"
Mike.o[@]mail.hamiltontn.gov writes:
> I'd like to get him over for one of our all night beer and theology
bashes.
> The boys would work him over and it sounds like he'd give it back and
> maybe we'd all know something by morning. (Kevin, if you're ever in
> Choo-Choo town...)
You mean Chattanooga?
My Grandmother was born in Tennessee and all my kinfoke
are in Branson, MO. Next time I'm in Branson I might consider
visiting you for one of those all-nighters, but that's about a
10-hour drive isn't it?
Thanks for the invite!
Kevin Craig
http://VFT.isCool.net/
---------------------------------------------
And they shall beat their swords into plowshares
and sit under their Vine & Fig Tree.
Micah 4:1-7
Kevin. We have traveled many of the same circles and also talked with
many of same folks. I have struggled while agreeing with the
theonomists, reconstructionists, anarchists, patriarchists, and
anabaptists. Any one of these whole hearted things is better than
sleeping nominal institutional Christianity. To my delight, you have
done well putting these historically opposing things together. I agree
that these have important biblical themes in common and that one doesn't
need to eliminate the other in the economy of obeying God. I am very
interested in talking with you. Please give me a call on my cell phone.
Mitch Greer
760 xxx-xxxx
xxxx Kari Lane
Bonsall, CA 92003
Hello. It is so refreshing to find there are others out there who see the world
as I do. I was beginning to think I was all alone in this crazy, evil world of ours.
I must say, I enjoy reading the articles on your website and view them as
a breath of fresh air. Keep up the great work. I hope to stay in contact as I am
trying to find others in my area who are Christian Anarchists as well.
Don't worry, I'm not FBI, NSA, CIA or any other sinister branch of the ruling elite.
I'm just an average everyday guy who is tired of the sins and crimes being committed
by this government in the name of Christ.
Thanks for your time and your wonderful work.
Mike
"This I command you, to love one another". John 15:17
"True religion is the life we live, not the creed we profess". J.F. Wright
"The God of peace is never glorified by human violence" -Thomas Merton
Visit:
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| Subj: |
JUST FOUND YOUR SITE |
| Date: |
11/5/2001 7:01:07 PM Pacific Standard Time |
From: kelly409[@]pacbell.net
(Michael & Anne Kelley)
To: VFTINC@aol.com
|
I AM EXTREMELY EXCITED TO HAVE FOUND YOUR SITE. THE PREVAILING TEACHING
OF ESCAPISM AND DEFEAT OF THE CHRISTIAN SYSTEM HAS SADDENED ME FOR
YEARS, AS I HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED IN THE DOMINION OF THE BELIEVER IN THIS
WORLD SYSTEM AS THEY HOLD TO THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST AND
THE VALIDITY OF THE WORD OF GOD. TOO OFTEN MAN HAS BECOME ENTRAPPED IN
THE MATERIALISM OF THE WORLD, AND HERE IN AMERICA, IT HAS BECOME A
PLAGUE FOR THE BELIEVER. I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU FURTHER ABOUT
OUR BELIEFS AND HOW WE CAN ASSIST EACH OTHER IN THE CHANGING OF OUR
WORLD TO THAT OF ONE THAT IS COMMITED TO THE CAUSE OF CHRIST AND OF
FAITH IN GOD AND HIS PURPOSES.
A BROTHER IN CHRIST
MICHAEL KELLEY
Subj: Who are you?
Date: 9/21/00 1:29:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: AdamJ45025
To: KEVIN4VFT
I've read with great interest your postings to the Religion & Politics message
board.
I've checked out some of your links. You're obviously at the top end of the Bell Curve,
and way above the league of 9/10ths of the other posters to those boards.
Who are you? Your age? Just curious... I can't figure if you're a Constitutional
scholar, or a Biblical scholar, or both. But I like what I read. You & some guy
named "OlePap."
--Mrs. Jones
Subj: Read your site
Date: 7/3/00 5:29:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: MSgraphik
To: KEVIN4VFT
I agree with you but I do attend. Perhaps I do so only to look for the lost who attend
and are searching. Then I minister to them as a disciple in service to my God. I choose
on several occasions to not get in involved in the bad side of "organized
religion." It is the things you spoke of which gives black eyes to believers.
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| Subj: |
I am neither |
| Date: |
3/8/2001 4:27:36 PM Pacific Standard Time |
From: nagasadow[@]juno.net
(David Duck)
To: Kevin4VFT@aol.com
|
Wow! Vine and Fig Tree is a weird web site! It certainly does present a
lot of radical, subversive views. I'm not sure I agree with it all, but
it's really great that somebody is so utterly challenging convention. I
am a Christian and an Anarchist, two things which to most seem
irreconcilable. About not having any political affiliation, I don't
associate myself with either right- or left-wing movements, although
being an Anarchist has led many to classify me as a "liberal." I'm not,
at least in any meaningful sense. I oppose globalization, capitalism,
and government, but I am a decidedly objective Christian.
Question about Vine and Fig:
Are you advocating a *mandatory* return to biblical values and morals
for all, or do you support the biblical doctrine of freewill? I.e. that
we can either embrace God's love and live out His life he has set for us,
or choose not to with no human authority to tell us what to do.
There is actually another group whose mission is ~similar~ to that of
Vine and Fig. It is called the Bruderhof organization, a radical
Christian group advocating a return to the communalist lifestyles of the
early church. Go to www.bruderhof.org for more info. They put out a
great magazine called the Plough, which deals with a variety of issues,
both spiritual and social.
I am very interested in conversing with you. Please write me
back.
David
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| Subj: |
Public stoning??? |
| Date: |
12/11/2001 3:03:31 PM Pacific Standard Time |
| From: |
Wilnaquin |
| To: |
VFT INC |
Hello,
Fascinating website. I kinda agree with the monetary policy you rail about. I like hard
currency and distrust the monetary system of our times. (I equally distrust those who
have hijacked American foreign policy to mask the crimes of the Israeli rogue state.
Just what does the right wing think they're ever going to get in return...)
Micah...wasn't he one of those nutty Mormon prophets? He sure sounds like one. I too
believe in the relevance of the Old Testament, but its sense justice is entirely trumped
by Jesus' commandments to love one another. That's the problem with most right wing
Christers- they miss the most important lesson.
Peace and love,
Bill Naquin (sometime hedonist)
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| Subj: |
I like your website |
| Date: |
3/20/2001 5:00:16 PM Pacific Standard Time |
From: nparton[@]theEIgroup.net (Nigel Parton)
Reply-to: nparton[@]theEIgroup.net
(Nigel Parton)
To: VFTinc@aol.com
|
Mr. Nigel R. Parton
385 Stannard Avenue
Victoria, BC V8S 3M3 Canada
Dear Vine & Fig Tree (James
Kevin Craig):
I like your website. I'm making the
transition from a Calvinist-Pedobaptist-Presbyterian-Reconstructionist
paradigm to something that might be called a Predestinarian-Baptist-Antistatist-Anarchist
paradigm. It's nice to know that there are others who think along similar lines. The
kingdoms of this earth are passing away and will be replaced by Christ's.
In Christ Jesus, Nigel Parton
Kevin,
Thanks for the links. The 95 Thesis are
brilliant. I am very blessed and impressed with your information. Thank
you.
Norman
Hi, my name is Orlando Gonzalez Febres and I believe that Democracy is the image of
the Beast. While I also believe that the harlot atop of the Beast is the current
church, as you mentioned that " the church is maiden to the state". that the
mark of the Beast is money itiself and the the 666 is the full phrase o the dollar
bill " In God We Trust One ' It gives six hundred threescore six, thrice times
and a remainder of thirteen which is the predilect dollar bill number and needless to
say the numder of Rev. 13, the chapter itself testifies of the truth, the number
itself is thirteen.
"God has spoken to me in dream and showed me how Isaiah 58 is the answer to
Rev. chapter 18. Where chapter 58 of Isaiiah becomes the remedy for a siickness called
the secularization of the/our church. There's no one "true" saving church.
In this I agree with you and am glad to find a similar line of thought as that of
mine. I desire only the best for you and pray your hopes be all the more established
thriough the years to come.
THANKYOU for your input, God Blesss You, Your brotherling , Orlando.
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| Subj: |
Letter to the editor |
| Date: |
7/25/2001 6:52:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time |
From: recon07[@]hotmall.com
(JAMES PLUMMER)
To: Tomtysen[@]aol.com
|
James R. Plummer
5 Country Court
New Egypt, NJ 08533
609-758-6515 home
609-633-2353 work
07/26/01
Editor:
In reference to G.I. Williamson's review of Keith Mathison's The Shape of Sola
Scriptura, it should be noted that Mathison's hermeneutical conclusions are the
same conclusions used by the traditionalists against the Reformers. When Luther
asked Eck at the Diet of Wurms to show in his writings where he differed from
Scripture, Eck responded that it was not necessary to appeal to the Scriptures
because Luther disagreed with the pope and the "tradition of the church".
Jesus says to call no man father or teacher because God is both (see Matthew
23:1-12) and He has very little good to say about tradition, as Williamson points
out. God has ordained the personal interpretation of Scripture by Spirit-filled
Christians; albeit, in the light of the wisdom of many counselors (and they do not
have to be ordained either).
What Mathison is doing is simply trading the tradition of Rome and the EOs for
that of the Reformers. He seeks to delimit Scriptural interpretation via the
crucible of the early creeds, which means we are stuck with everything creedally-concluded
in the second through the fourth centuries for eternity. I mean, why even bother
searching the Scriptures like a Berean when we have the likes of the
"orthodox" to tell us the truth; whoever the "orthodox" are
(ordained in "approved" denominations?)?
It is true that we should hold fast to the traditions taught by the apostles, but
where do we get those traditions, if not from the Old and New Testaments of the
Bible, which predated the early man-made creeds and confessions? Is Mathison telling
us that all of the foundational truths were finalized during the early
post-apostolic infancy of the church, an infancy following upon the apocalyptic
decreation of the old world order?
Paul actually encouraged "divisions" in that through the factions'
(denominations'?) arguments and the conclusions following upon them, the truth would
emerge. Even Paul's "teacher" Gamaliel was wise enough to know that bad
theology would not prevail in the long term (400 or even 2000 years compared to 2000
billion years are not long terms).
Let's be frank about the real reason for Mathison's book, which is to combat the
rapidly growing eschatological movement known as Preterism. Is Mathison so unwilling
to take the advice of Paul and Gamaliel that he would resort to the weak and
beggarly armor of his own enemies? What does he fear? The loss of authority and
control over men?
Does he fear that infant Christians may have been wrong? Does he fear the
soteriological, ecclesiological, cultural or political implications of Preterism?
Perhaps if he were willing to publicly argue his case with Preterists, instead of
following the California "Calcedonians'" call to excommunicate Preterists
rather than refute them, he could get a hearing? The only ones hearing his
"powerful testimony" are those in power.
Mathison's sola Scriptura is really sola Reformed tradition; and. quite frankly,
it will work no better than that old-time tradition. Type
"Vine and Fig Tree" into your search engine and learn something.
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I just want to say that your website changed my life. I'm
sick of seeing society "rationalize" the harder things to
do in the Gospel, like loving your enemies etc. I started
reading intensively two years ago, seeking answers, yet
always feeling a gap in my conscience.
Thanks for helping me covering up the hole.
I'm still a high-school student, and have first-hand
experience of how archism depresses individualism and the
true Faith, although I know now that sin is driven by mere
ideals like equality of religion, sexuality and other
latter-day interpretations of demons.
Now don't say I should respect teachers and appreciate
school, because I have great respect for teachers and
intellectuals. I myself intend to become a writer. Ellul
wrote that public schools leave no room for personal
development, and I fully support him.
I even used to hate followers of other religions and gays
but Christ wants us to help them and pray for them, not
kill them.
The dawn is near.
Pieter du Toit (South Africa)
"If you are
willing to exercise your human
abilities to
study history,
evaluate
evidence,
and reach conclusions, you will conclude that Jesus did in fact rise from the dead, that
His claims are true, and that the Bible is reliable."
The Christ has come and is Risen.
Thanks be to God Almighty!
Without faith given by God's Spirit, no one can believe this.
We are
chosen to recieve this gift of faith.
Dont pretend that you or anyone else on earth can prove
the Resurection.
You know
how a man is justified.
Your
web site is great.
I'm neither purely calvinist or arminian, but I do lean toward the
calvinist side.
TUIP (i leave out the L)
I cant find any biblical evidence of
limited atonement. (I wouldnt want to either)
peace and grace are multiplied,
bret
Subj: just wanted to say hi
Date: 4/21/00 7:47:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Redette2
To: KEVIN4VFT
Hello Kevin,
I just wanted to say a quick hello. And I read your page and thought I would tell you
that it is really nice. I hope you are having a really nice day. Take care and God
Bless.
refugee317:
hello
I have read yor vine and fig tree site
VFT
INC: Did
you like it?
refugee317:
oh
yeah
VFT
INC: Great!
Thanks for writing!
refugee317:
I
am glad to run across people who have the thoughts that you do
refugee317:
I
get so tired of arguing with folks
refugee317:
lol
VFT
INC: That's
what I'm doing right now . . . answering a bunch of argumentative email.
refugee317:
yeah
VFT
INC: I'm
in California, where are you?
refugee317:
New
York City
refugee317:
Harlem
VFT
INC: Ever
heard of Messiah's church?
In Brooklyn?
refugee317:
nope
refugee317:
I
go to manhattan mennonite fellowship
refugee317:
I
have only lived here for a year though...originally from Chicago...attended college
there too
refugee317:
I
work with the mentally retarded teaching them to travel and job skills, we volunteer at
homeless shelters etc.
VFT
INC: I
worked at a homeless shelter for almost 10years. Great work.
refugee317:
I
have some friends in Stockton CA
VFT
INC: Next
time you visit them, I'll meet you at my friends' in Livermore.
refugee317:
never
met them
refugee317:
lol
VFT
INC: Oh,
cyber friends?
refugee317:
Yep
refugee317:
they
became interested in the site
refugee317:
became
pacifists and anarchists
refugee317:
lol
VFT
INC: Have
you got a yahoo group?
refugee317:
no
refugee317:
I
use my own mailing list
refugee317:
yahoo
puts ads intheir stuff
VFT
INC: Might
be a good way to get some more readers and publicity.
I hate the ads too, but you get some advertising of your own.
refugee317:
true
refugee317:
I
had one but they made me mad..casue they did not tell me about the ads so I jsut wrote a
script for my own
refugee317:
I
sent one of the guys form CA to your site
refugee317:
jsut
now
VFT
INC: Great!
Hope he writes.
refugee317:
the
one thing I am very unceratin on is taxes
refugee317:
at
this point I do not pay them
refugee317:
but
ellul makes some very good points as does vernard eller
VFT
INC: I
can't remember what they say: pay or don't pay?
refugee317:
pay
refugee317:
both
of them
VFT
INC: I
say avoid paying if you can, because the money is used for evil, and they shouldn't be
taking it anyway, but if they have you by the lapels, give em what they ask.
VFT
INC: Resist
not evil.
refugee317:
tha
is where I am too
refugee317:
I
feel like I will not voluntarily give it to them
refugee317:
but
if they ROB me
refugee317:
by
garnishing my wages
refugee317:
well
then
refugee317:
what
can I do lol
VFT
INC: Go
to jail
refugee317:
true
refugee317:
been
there too
VFT
INC: But
I think it's wiser to lose $$ than lose time.
VFT
INC: What
for?
refugee317:
Vieques
Puerto Rico...I wne twitha Christian Peacemaking team and we were thrown in prison
refugee317:
may
2000
refugee317:
and
when I was a 18 I firebombed a judges home
refugee317:
and
spent 4 years
refugee317:
converted
in prison
VFT
INC: The
judge who sentenced you?
refugee317:
nah
any judge would do
VFT
INC: So
you were a violent "anarchist" before becoming a Christian.
refugee317:
yeah
refugee317:
After
coming to christin in jail...I kind of gave up the whole anarchist thing
refugee317:
they
dont preahc that in jail after all
VFT
INC: The
whole violence thing.
refugee317:
no
the whole the state is of the devil thing
refugee317:
I
gave up anarchism but not violence
refugee317:
jsut
wars and self defese
refugee317:
becaem
typically evangelical I suppose
VFT
INC: I
used to be very patriotic. Christianity made me an anarchist. I believe the State is of
the devil, so to speak.
refugee317:
I
gave up anarchism but not violence
VFT
INC: You
mean you gave up violence but not anarchism?
refugee317:
not
when I convertedin prison
VFT
INC: I
don't understand how you gave up anarchism.
refugee317:
In
prison afterI converted I would not personally attack people anymore...only in "sefl-defense"
refugee317:
well
refugee317:
when
I was in prison...I converted and the whole authority thing seemed to me to something I
had to submit to. The state is God's creation we were tuaght by the chaplian...the
police etc.
refugee317:
therfore
to break the law
refugee317:
is
agianst god
refugee317:
so
the state which is violent in its being, I assented to
refugee317:
http://members.aol.com/XianAnarch/index-CL.htm
Subj: neither left nor right
Date: 9/7/99 11:14:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: ri[@]xun.org (Ri Xu)
To: Kevin4VFT@aol.com
Howdy. I found your web page while searching
for the phrase "neither left nor right."
The left and the right are useful because
they point out the flaws in each others'
ideologies. But even those who call themselves
anarchists or libertarians are not much
interested in freedom if you look at their
lives, their proposed methods of change,
and their visions of the world they want.
A pox on both their houses.
Subj: Thanks for your great site
Date: 12/11/99 8:17:09 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: witter[@]juno.com (Richard F Wittemann)
To: Kevin4VFT@aol.com
To my brother in Christ, Kevin Craig;
First let me say how much I appreciate your website. Like you, I have
come to some of the same conclusions about the faith. In particular, the
studying of the "preterist" view is leading me closer to being a
"full"
preterist. I find it rather sad to see people throwing around the term
"heretic" (Gary North accusing David Chilton) in such a cavalier way.
They should know better since they are also accused of being heretics by
others who disagree with their positions. It would be so much better if
Othordox Christians viewed their efforts as a team effort (body of
Christ) and not as some competing effort. In fact we have a common
enemy, those anti-christ, who deny that Christ came in the flesh.
On another topic, Pacifism, I agree that Christians have adopted the view
of the world in regards to the use of violent force. I find it
interesting that Christians who rail against the state are quick to sing
patriotic songs as they march off to war to do the bidding of Caesar
(Clinton, etc.). Don’t they know they are defending "the New World
Order", also called in scripture "Babylon". Why do Christians lend
themselves to the building of "mans city" and not resist and build "Gods
city". In addition Christ said, "let the dead bury the dead". I believe
that applies to much of what mankind is trying to accomplish (in
particular through politics, business, etc.)
I just came across your site through the "Preteristarchive" site and am
still reading much of your material.
Once again, thanks for the fantastic effort in creating and maintaining
your site.
Sincerely,
Richard Wittemann
Charlotte, N.C.
email: witter[@]juno.com
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"APOLOGETICS
WITHOUT ARISTOTLE." I write homeschool curriculum. I've been very
concerned with the movement towards Greek philosophy (the classical approach focusing
on writings of the Greek philosophers, myths, and logic) in homeschooling. I'm
currently working on a book that addresses some of these issues. Please keep me
informed of any other articles along this line. I am specifically looking for more
information on logic. Can you suggest any links or resources? I'd greatly
appreciate it.
Blessings,
Robin Sampson
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| Subj: |
forum advice |
| Date: |
1/12/2002 8:51:07 AM Pacific Standard Time |
From: cimaronline[@]yahoo.com
(Paul Rohde)
To: VFTINC@aol.com
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V&FT,
I agree with many of the ideas that appear on your
webpage(s). Thanks for all your work. Right now I'm
looking for a forum or discussion board to discuss
similar ideas with others (and didn't see any
associated with V&FT). Do you have any favorites? I'm
not aware of any connected with the Catholic Worker
either. Is there any internet round table discussion,
for example? Or anything else related to Christian
anarchism? I'm mostly interested in action (as opposed
to theoretical) discussions: what can we do? how do we
LIVE the radical Christian life today?
Thanks for any direction you can offer.
Peace,
Paul
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Subj: A BIBLICAL UNDERSTANDING OF ESCHATLOLGY
Date: 9/6/99 3:00:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: rdrossas[@]email.msn.com (Ray Rossa)
To: KEVIN4VFT@aol.com
After previewing samples of the E-mail that you've
receive and posted on
your website, and taking into account the title of my present E-mail to you,
"A Biblical Understanding of Eschatology" it would be easy to see if upon
beginning to read my E-mail, you preconceive it to be a rebuttal to your
professed "preterist" views of eschatology. But quite the contrary!
I've always held to a total preterist view of prophecy {mainly after reading
Russel's "Parousia"} but have had a hard time reconciling them with the
future judgement expressively declared in Scripture. My theology is TOTALLY
REFORMED in all aspects, and I hold that a reformed theology HAS TO BE a
"post" eschatalogical theology. And only a preterist view of prophecy in my
opinion, {based on the study of Scripture} can only truly be labeled "post".
Your articles on you website have helped tremendously in reconciling the
future judgement / preterist conflict I have had in my eschatological views.
I would be intrigued to communicate with you over the phone to further this
conversation {making it a two-sided instead of one-sided by E-mail} if
interested just "reply to author" and maybe we can crosspaths over the
telephone lines.
If not, I understand, and just want to commend you for allowing the Holy
Spirit to elighten you to the deeper truths of Scripture, and holding to the
Scripture as the infallible, inerent, inspired word of God and not allowing
outside of Scripture philosophies to influence you away from true Biblical.
YOUR BROTHER IN CHRIST,
RON ROSSA
{the reason the E-mail say Ray is beacuse this is my father's computer, so
if you E-mail "Reply to Author" just put in subject "to Ron".}
GOD BLESS AND KEEP UP THE FAITH
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| Subj: |
I'm cautiously excited... |
| Date: |
3/7/2001 6:50:43 PM Pacific Standard Time |
From: MrOrtho[@]ix.netcom.net
(Ron)
To: KEVIN4VFT@aol.com
|
Hello Kevin (?),
Have been using the internet to research the history of the christian
church when I came upon your site. Most interesting and quite
inspirational. I have only read your preamble and Theses' 1-7, but am
excited to read the rest. I started reading the bible upon my
conversion in 1972 and have difficulty getting too excited about ANY
church and some are very undesirable. My research was to find out why
and when the whole thing got messed up! I've raised my children in a
Patriarchy and that is why your site interest me so much. Please get
back to me if you have time.
Ron
This site is amazing in both quality
and scope; although I am a secular fellow, I found your critique of the
Declaration and subsequent events particularly thought provoking. Had
the Bill of Rights been adopted without the Constitution would America
have remained a nonimperial nation? One could argue that until recent
decades, Switzerland was what America was intended to be.
Kevin,
Be of good cheer! The kingdom's of this world are
become the kingdom of God and His Messiah! You are
definitely laying a good intellectual and spiritual
basis for later generations to build on (myself
included in that--I have VFT on the brain always). We
may be few, but one defeated a whole Legion of demons.
The master's thesis looks good so far (haven't gotten
through all you have up yet, though.
Shalom,
Russ
--- KEVIN4VFT@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 1/21/2002 1:57:07 PM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> rvwarren7[@]hotmall.com writes:
>
>
> > Kevin,
> >
> > No rush, take your time. It's good to hear from
> you. I've been doing a
> > lot
> > of reading on your site recently--starting to get
> the good grasp of the
> > magnitude of the paradigm shift. I've had many
> discussions with my
> > roommates about Biblical theology and the
> Afghanistan war, all of which I
> > oddly end up alone. Anyway, stay in touch. How
> are you doing, by the way?
> >
> > Russ
>
> Down and depressed.
> Glad to hear there's someone else ending up all
> alone! :-)
>
> Did I tell you I finally got a reader for my M.A.
> Thesis
> at Simon Greenleaf (now a part of Trinity University
> in
> Deerfield, IL). This was supposed to happen over ten
> years ago. Intro here:
>
>
http://members.aol.com/VFTfiles/thesis/Anarcho-Theocracy.htm
>
> Not all of it is on the web yet.
>
> Keep me posted!
>
>
>
> Kevin Craig
> http://VFT.isCool.net/
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> And they shall beat their swords into plowshares
> and sit under their Vine & Fig Tree.
> Micah 4:1-7
>
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| Subj: |
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| Date: |
8/9/2001 10:00:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time |
| From: |
Stmorency |
| To: |
VFT INC |
Great materials.
I have read a good portion of what you have written and I find it
very agreeable.
Thank you for expressing what I believe. It is very gratifying to see many areas of
culture addressed in a very harmonious way and reflecting God's Word so very well. I
find what you say to be brave, comprehensive and intellectually as well as spiritually
valid.
John Frame came to Pensacola for an Institutes that we sponsor at our
church every year and spoke about culture as relates to Christianity. I mentioned you to
him since you said in your writings that you consider him a teacher of yours. He said
that he felt you would profit from a more "seminary " education. I am
fascinated with the variety within our Church Catholic. I am truly looking forward to a
better City of God.
Found your site via the preterist archive.
Sincerely,
Serge
Subj: Thank
God for your websight
Date: 6/25/00 9:08:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Ford503
To: KEVIN4VFT
Your
websight is such a blessing. Go to my profile and click onto one of my 5 web pages on
the same subject. Thank God for you.
Shirley
I lead a women's Bible study, and found the
information you offered to be so interesting.
God bless, Sue
Subj: Thanks, Kevin.
Date: 6/26/00 8:45:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: tekton77[@]netzero.net (tekton7)
To: VFTINC@aol.com
I've been reading your site a lot lately. I wish I had more time to devote
to it. I especially like the attributes of a Patriarch. You'd make a
million Federal Reserve Notes if you published as a devotional.
Anyway, thank you for the Reading Schedule and for all the
work you've put
into your site.
Your friend,
Tekton
Subj: Your web-site
Date: 3/18/99 6:13:47 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: terencesheridan[@]southernchristian.org (Terence
Sheridan)
To: vftinc@aol.com ('vftinc@aol.com')
I am studying under a man who seems to be heavily influenced by
Theonomists. Unfortunately, this has expressed itself as right-wingism. I
never dreamt that I would find a theonomist who was also a anarchist and
pacifist. Very interesting. You have caused me to think on some things,
unlike some of the more statist Theonomists and Reformers.
Terence Sheridan
Librarian
Southern Christian University
[terencesheridan[@]southernchristian.org]
Subj: Website, Theocracy, etc.
Date: 12/12/99 1:20:16 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: Natlist1
To: KEVIN4VFT
Hello Kevin,
A nice lady online who had liked my profile IMed me and told me to look at your website
and e-mail you. I was very much impressed by your material. I have neo-theocratic
leanings, but it is very rare to find anyone who agrees. It is very important that we
reinvigorate radical Christianity to promote the salvation of our peoples. It was
interesting to see that you are an anarchist and a pacifist, I was wondering if you
would also add socialist that mixture. I am a Christian Socialist, in the old sense of
the term. In any case, the lady who had spoken to me told me that you lead interesting
discussions on theonomy, if this is true could I please have some information on this,
as that is a subject which fascinates me? Thank you for your time, and best wishes and
prayers to your struggle with the law. No matter what happens, RIGHT IS ON YOUR SIDE.
God bless you,
Thomas
Subj: Re: Death penalty?
Date: 7/10/99 9:04:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: iron-age[@]juno.com (Todd J Murphy)
To: KEVIN4VFT@aol.com
Kevin,
You are definitely the most interesting Reconstructionist I have
encountered. And one thing I must commend you for, that I rarely see in
the Reconstructionist camp, is that you have a very gentle spirit. I
also appreciate a self studied man, and covet your library (just
kidding).
When I said that you rejected "lex talionis" it was not in that you
explicitly said so, but the death penalty is founded upon it (Ex 21:23)
"life for life". These are inseparable. When I have time, I will be
interested in hearing your views further.
Take care,
Todd Murphy
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Subj: Wow wow wow wow!!!!
Date: 7/30/00 9:35:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: victoria.jeanette[@]yahoo.com (Tori)
To: KEVIN4VFT@aol.com
Kevin,
You know what I did?? I went through all 90-something emails that you've sent me in my
"kevin" folder and I pulled out all the links you sent and copied them onto a
page and I've been reading them all. WOW Kevin! There are a BUNCH of them. I suppose I
have been a little overwhelmed by the magnitude of your web pages, but now I'm really
getting into it. It's huge though! Is there ever a way to actually read it all?? :) But
just tonight I've read all about theocracy and I had no idea how Christian our country
was intended to be and I've never questioned the notion of separation of church and
state.... I thought that was a GOOD thing! This is really neat. And I knew the ACLU was
bad but didn't understand exactly why. And I read all about God's law and meditating on
it and how that can create a godly character...that's where those meditations that I
like of yours fit in. well, more stuff too but I'm really tired right now so won't go
into it all. Oh, the arranged marriage thing, about romantic love vs. a biblical view...
Oh, and that thing you said about anarchists (in the typical way people view them) are
really just mini archists. I understand now what you mean! I understand the distinction!
And that people had to take an oath to be in government that kept non-Christians OUT of
government! Gosh! What is it specifically about the oath that you didn't take that
prevented you from taking it? I forgot the specifics about that. Well, I have a lot more
to read. I'm glad I decided to do it this way...I mean, just listing all the links
you've ever sent me on one page. That way, I can just read one when I get a spare minute
and it's kind of fun going down the list. It's not so overwhelming that way. Anyway,
you're really really smart Kevin! Wow! Oh, and the thing you wrote about
"rights". How did we ever get the notion that we have so many rights?? Oh, and
pluralism.... The example you gave about allowing a pagan neighbor to rip a heart out of
a girl so that you won't impose your religion on them. You know what? It seems like
Christianity is the only religion that is accused of being an imposition! And that we
ARE a theocracy, but a secular one. That makes so much sense now. This is the first time
I've felt myself breaking away from the idea that the constitution (the way it's
interpreted and presented at school) is the way the government should be. To think I've
been made to feel like I shouldn't impose my Christian views on others. I would never
have admitted that I think the government should be run by God's law because I would
have felt like I was being...well, intolerant. OH! This has given me so much more
confidence! There are so many influences out there that make Christians feel week and
intolerant and ashamed. Instead of making excuses or cowering, we SHOULD be intolerant!
And the fact that that film wasn't shown about settling...was it Jamestown?...because
they showed a cross being erected! It's like history itself is being changed (or at
least selectively presented) in order to promote a system of government that excludes
Christianity (no absolutes, etc etc) But how are you different from a reconstructionist?
And also, I'm just curious...I suppose I could ask a Jew, but maybe you know...how do
they reconcile not having animal sacrifices? I mean, wasn't that only done away with
becasue we were provided a messiah? But they believe the messiah hasn't come yet, so how
do they atone for their sins? I was thinking about that because I've been listening to
Dr. Laura some during the day. Well, better get to bed. Just
wanted to let you know that I'm REALLY enjoying reading your stuff. I still
have to tell you about Cancun...it was soooo fun. I'll have some time tomorrow so I'll
talk to you then. By the way, I also thought I'd say thank you for taking so much
time and energy and for sacrificing so much to write everything that you do. I really
think it's being used by God and so ultimately it will make people's lives better. I
suppose there's more that one way to help widows and orphans. I mean, you do it directly
too. But ultimately, you're really doing something to change the whole system of society
and that will help them too. Also, how are you? Are you managing that woman's campaign?
I did read her web page...I didn't even realize how much I agreed with the libertarian
(hope I didn't spell that incorrectly) platform. And it was fun reading about the Dr. NO
article :) Are you really going to run? Did you fill out an application for the
Schlissel thing? I have to admit, I'm tempted too. I know you said I shouldn't go
looking, but perhaps that wouldn't be looking in the sense you're thinking of it. I
mean, I could just submit and application and see what happens. It couldn't hurt
anything and maybe...well, you know. Have you heard anything from your little Kevin
godchild?? More later...
Love,
Tori
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Dear Vine & Fig Tree,
You have a most interesting and unusual wet site.
Many things you speak, are confirmation of my own thinking and beliefs, which I have
come to believe over a life time.
I am now 61-years old, married 38-years to my one and only
lovely wife, with 2-sons, and 2-daughters, all grown and married, and we have
4-grandchildren, and two more on the way.
My wife and I were associated with the Worldwide Church of
God, Ambassador College, Herbert W. Armstrong empire for 11-years, when we were young
adults, years ago. I worked for Ambassador College for those 11-years, as an IBM
computer programmer and operator, and then as their Payroll Supervisor, of their
multi-million dollar annual payroll. We left that organization in 1974.
Years later, my wife and I started attending church again,
after about 20-years of no church, and this time, we became associated with the
charismatic/pentecostal churches. We know for sure, that we received the Holy
Spirit, and that Jesus Christ converted us to His saving grace.
We have been in and out of several churches, and then into
a home gathering for a couple of years, and now we are not attending with any
group. We have not forsaken Jesus Christ, but as with many thousands of
others all over the world, we have come to see that churchianity is not what Christ is
about.
Several years ago, I was also introduced to Preterism, and
was stunned to learn the truth about past fulfillment.
I have also come to realize that all man-made governments
are not authorized by God Almighty, but there is only one government, and that is the
government of Jesus Christ.
So awesome was the CRUCIFIXION of CHRIST, that when we as
human beings were allowed into the "Holy of Holies" in the presence of the
Father, I wonder why anyone wants a "pastor" to stand in between, usurping
the Priesthood of Jesus Christ.
At any rate, I have not obviously read but a little of
your material, but I would be in complete agreement with some parts I have read.
As an avid reader all my adult life, I have read many
books not found in establishment sources, but from alternative resources. There
is no doubt that the victors of war, write the establishment books, and that the whole
world is deceived about practically everything in life, including: education,
politics, war, history, vaccines, medicine, health, schooling, news, food, etc., and a
host of other issues.
There is no question about the control of money by the
international bankers, and the control of most of the news media, as well as
entertainment, sports, politics, education, medicine, pharmaceutical drugs, and entire
industries, by a relatively hand full of certain people. It becomes very
dangerous to a nation, when a hand full of international corporations control most of
the world's food supply. We continue to see everything in life gravitating to
control by a few, and that includes the military and politics of the world.
Jesus did say "The Kingdom of God comes NOT WITH
OBSERVATION" and "The Kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU". Few
Christians understand this, but are very deceived by the physical israel crowd of the
likes of Jerry Falwell, Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impy, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, and a
host of others.
The reality is, is that the Bible schools and seminaries
have been infiltrated with false teachings, paramount of which is the false israel
teaching, along with the tithing issue, and consequently young preachers take those
teachings to multitudes.
Most people don't like their comfort zone disturbed, and
are not willing to listen to alternative views, so in their pews they sit, listening
to false teachers, preaching a false gospel.
Thank God for the internet. I think many have gotten
their eyes opened, if they have any curiosity whatsoever.
Thanks for your web site, and Jesus Christ alone is the
Way, the Truth, and the Life,
Van Robison
Kentucky
Thur. 1/15/04
5:54pm est
Subj: I
am neither
Date: 3/26/00 7:08:43 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: Bwahl[@]home.com (B Wahl)
Reply-to: smartdog[@]bobwahl.net
To: Kevin4VFT@aol.com
Amen brother. I refuse to be put in a box of either camp.
Bob Wahl
Subj: Re: [Christiansquoting] On this day
Date: 4/30/00 1:05:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: wen299[@]aol.com
Reply-to: Christiansquoting[@]egroups.com
To: Christiansquoting[@]egroups.com
In a message dated 4/30/00 2:59:07 AM, Kevin4VFT@aol.com writes:
<< http://members.aol.com/EndTheWall/washington.htm >>
Thank you Kevin. The site was very educational.
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Subj: First time hello
Date: 9/12/00 8:51:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: ewetzel[@]interf.com (Eric Wetzel)
To: Kevin4VFT@aol.com
Hi Kevin:
I stumbled across your stuff while searching curiously for something
else ("Geneva Jigs"). My experience with theonomy has left me a little
cold, mostly due to the personalities of many of those who support the
idea. I think what many of them really are supporting is the idea of
ecclesiocracy (?sp) with themselves, as the professional churchmen, in
charge. I haven't yet read enough of your stuff to know what you
believe concerning this issue.
Many of your views that I have read have always seemed to me to be
straightforward, unambiguous instructions from the Scriptures. The
views supported by the Westminster Divines regarding ordination and the
"clergy" seem to be little more than a reformulation of a Romanism;
replacing one priestly system with another.
But I ramble ...
Nice to make your acquaintance,
Eric Wetzel
Front Royal, VA
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"bernie brauer" <bbrauer777[@]xxx.com> |
| Subject: |
What about this idea? |
| Date: |
Wed, May 24, 2006 8:40 pm |
| To: |
"Eric Hufschmid" <erichuf[@]xxx.com>,"Daryl
Smith" <iamthewitness[@]xxx.com>,"Kevin Craig" <kevincraig@kevincraig.us> |
Eric and Daryl,
What about this idea to get
more publicity for www.iamthewitness.com
Example: Go to http://kevinforcongress.blogspot.com/
and where it says subscribe me, subscribe yourself
to FeedBlitz.
I think you would have to start a blog,
but I think FeedBlitz allows you to do mass emails
without your Provider getting mad,
and then people can comment also.
My opinion is that Kevin Craig
is the "smartest" person in the USA
so even if you don't want to do FeedBlitz
you may still want to receive his almost daily emails.
By the way Eric I told Kevin Craig about your site.
Just trying to help,
Bernie Brauer, The City of Vancouver ( Queen has to knock first
or ring gatebell to get in )
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I just wanted to comment that this site is of incredibly quality. I find its intrinsic
message to be "right on target." In fact, I have been searching for a way to
justify my Anarchist beliefs with my Christain ones for a long time. Your unique
analysis provides amazing clarity on what I've been searching for. I really think the
Vine & Fig Tree paradigm is truly the cure to this world's ills. I will start today
implementing the Biblical virtues espoused on your site, and will try to become more
active in uplifting the Community instead of attending a dead, obligatory Sunday-morning
service. I wish you well and may you continue to serve God forever.
"Believe! Achieve!!" -Zaelunas Nightsky