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Babylon vs Jerusalem
After taking my anti-war in Iraq stand last Spring, I had a close Christian brother ask me this question:
I have thought a lot about your comments and opinions. I want to ask you this as a brother and a friend: Though you bring up good points, challenging thoughts, and certain"facts" that are contrary to what most americans are aware of ... don't you think it is possible that YOU might also be getting info. which is (at least) inaccurate or exaggerated? In other words, while the average american gets (and believes) a lot of "pro-gov't" propaganda, shouldn't you consider the possibility that the info. YOU get and read and believe might be biased the other way, and, in fact, be "anti-gov't" propaganda!?!? Have you, thru experience, personal interest, or whatever, become too trusting and too far swayed by the input of people who are hard-core against the gov't?
Not saying that is the case, but I really do feel it is something that occurs. Fact is, the sources you trust may be just as skewed as all the rest! Probably, they, nor you, nor I, nor probably any U.S. citizen knows for sure!
Just want you to be an objective leader and fair assessor of information when
you are one who influences so many! I appreciate your boldness and your
challenging spirit. THAT we have in common! :) I love you, brother!
Here was my response to him:
Thanks so much for your
thoughtful readings of my rantings. :-) And your challenging questions without
being reactionary.
Getting inaccurate information is always a danger. I feel like I've been deceived on some things most of my life. I used to think that it was the right thing for us to be over fighting in Vietnam, to keep democracy safe. I used to think democracy was the best form of government, until I discovered the vast difference between a democracy and a republic, the latter being what our founders established and the former being what they feared. I used to think that Republicans were for small government, low taxes and the only hope for the pro-life movement. An honest look at history reveals that to be only rhetoric; their track record reveals a party committed to big government, corporate welfare, expanding taxes, and only an occasional crumb for pro-lifers, just enough to keep them on board.
Every Republican president in my lifetime has expanded the size and scope of
the government at a greater rate than the Democrats. The president has the
authority and moral responsibility to call up the national guard and close down
every abortuary in the country.
Why have I become "anti-government?" I
have not become "anti-government," but anti-illegitimate government. God
ordained civil government, but He never intended for it to have limitless power.
Any time government oversteps what God has intended, it is illegitimate. When
David exercised his kingly prerogatives with Bathsheeba, it was illegitimate and
God called him out; when the Nazis acted in an ungodly fashion, Dietrich
Bohnhoffer courageously spoke out against them. If God intended governments to
have limitless power, Bohnhoffer would have had no grounds for his accusations.
As Christians in America we have wholesale bought into the idea that
anything our leaders do we must support because of Romans 13 and Render unto
Caesar. Those are good passages and need to be adhered to, but they do not stand
on their own. They must be interpreted with the rest of scripture. If all you
have is Romans 13, Nathan had no business confronting David; Elijah would have
been wrong to speak against Ahab and Jezzy. But nobody talks about what the
Biblical standards are that we can use to judge civil government, because we
don't believe that we are supposed to. Instead, we have a truncated Gospel that
will bring personal salvation to individuals, but has little to say on whether
or not we should go to war in Iraq. We are allowed to engage in polite
discussion beforehand, but once the bombs start dropping we have to rally behind
the president and our troops.
In my personal growth as a Christian I
have come to see that the story of history is a story of two cities: Babylon and
Jerusalem. I may someday write a book about it. ;-) Babylon has its roots in the
tower of Babel. It represents the best efforts of man and coming together to
form the perfect society. It is important to realize that God did not exact
judgment on the Tower of Babel because it was immoral. It was probably a very
moral and highly structured society. They weren't that many generations away
from Noah. They still had mud on their boots. The judgment came because it was
man's efforts to build a moral society without God, and that wasn't what God had
in mind. The people were scattered, but the dream lived on. Ever since, all
through history, we see stories of empires rising and falling in an effort to
recapture the spirit of Babylon: a one world, highly centralized government,
that creates a utopia on earth through the efforts of man without the necessity
of divine redemption.
Hegemony by the USA to implement Pax Americana is
the latest effort. Check out their
site and you will find some amazing and ambitious goals for America to
literally dominate the globe. These are not out of the mainstream radicals, but
their founders include people like Dick Chenny and Donald Rumsfeld. Research the
site carefully and you'll find plans to dominate the middle east long before
9/11 gave them the excuse to do so. Keep in mind while you read that this
information is not coming from critics outside the government (i.e.,
anti-government propaganda), but they are the actual words of those who are
currently in power. This is their plan to rule the earth. This is their mission
from god (small 'g'). This is their vision for New Babylon (Dean's
anti-government spin ;-).
God had Jerusalem in mind. I have done a lot
of studying the past ten years on how the society of the Hebrews was structured
and what God's intentions were. It is the story of Jerusalem: a very
decentralized society where the highest form of government was self-government,
each individual internally regulating his life according the the principles of
the Ten Words. It is much closer to the form of government we once had, so that
one of the founders, Madison maybe, said, "this government is for a moral and
religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other." In other words, it was
relying on the self government of individuals to maintain law, order and
decency; it was very de-centralized by design.
Think about the simplicity
and beauty of those ten words. True, there were an additional 600 or so added to
help define how they are implemented, but stack that up against the thousands
and thousands of decrees and edicts coming from D.C. and Indy to regulate the
smallest detail of our lives, down to wearing a seatbelt and how much tint you
can put on your car windows. And such regulation is the inevitable result
whenever a culture moves away from Jerusalem and towards Babylon. God says, you
think my ten words are too restrictive? You think you can create a more
libertine society? Man in his arrogance says yes and always ends up under far
greater bondage to man-made laws.
God says, you think my asking for 10%
is robbery? You think Babylon will take less of your money? A sure indication
that a government has taken giant steps towards Babylon is by measuring how much
money it extracts from its citizenry. Think about it: any government that
demands more than what God asks for is arrogating to itself power and stature to
exceed even that of the Supreme Ruler of the Universe. I am sure you are aware
that our government taxes us at a total rate of somewhere between 40-50%.
Historically, anytime men cannot keep at least 50% of what they earn they are
called slaves.
If our government restricted itself to taxing us at a
maximum rate of 10%, which the Bible alludes to be a maximum without being
wicked, there would be no debate about having troops in more than 100 countries
around the world; we wouldn't have the CIA installing governments like the Shah
of Iran, Hussein, Khadafy, Noriega, Castro and a whole host of other despots
that I can't remember. We wouldn't have the money. And it is this kind of
meddling that caused 9/11 to happen in NYC instead of Geneva. But I am not
allowed to say that without being called a "blame America Firster."
What's wrong with blaming America first? It is a very important Biblical
concept in resolving conflict. Matt 7 tells us that we are to first get the log
out of our own eye. In order to do that you have to first see that there
actually is a log there, you must bring the accusation against yourself, "Hey,
you've got a log in your eye," and then after you acknowledge that you can do
something about removing it.
These are some of the fundamental
principles involved in my coming across as "anti-government." And if you notice
I've reasoned mostly from a Biblical perspective without resorting to outside
sources, save the words of the devils themselves, PNAC.
Could some of my source material be tainted with inaccurate or distorted
information? Possibly and probably, but I suspect less so than info that comes
from the daily rag or the talking heads. I suspect that most of what I have
claimed you and others already sort of know, or have an inkling of. The big
difference in what I write is not the actual statistics, but in how I connect
the dots to form a different picture. Now if there is a specific statistic that
you are questioning I would be happy to try to dig up verification, and if you
have doubts, it might be a good thing to challenge me on it, as I could very
well be wrong. I've been wrong on a lot of things all of my life.
Much
love to you.
Dean
Posted by Dean May on November 13, 2003
Chatter
Excellent response Dean. I'll look forward to that book. :-)
Jon Luker | 11/13/03 11:22
Dean, good post. I think some people will object, though, at the statement that the Republicans are responsible for government growth, particularly during the Reagan era. After all, the Democrats controlled Congress then. Also, as a Woodsman has noted, the anti-abortion movement came in under Reagan.
Those may be two things you want to address at some point.
Your 50% tax passage reminded me of something. It's like the passage in 1 Samuel 8. Samuel gives a very interesting response when the Israelites ask for a king. He says something like, "Don't you realize that the king will take one-tenth of your stuff and give it to his armies? Don't you understand that he will take your sons for his wars? He will take your daughters for himself, to serve him?"
And God said, "Hearken [Samuel] unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee; for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not be king over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, in that they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee."
Josh M. | 11/13/03 15:56
Thanks for your comments Josh.
I think total government spending did something like triple under Reagan. Don't remember exactly, but I know it was huge, the biggest increase ever. You can't blame that all on the Democrats. Reagan knew how to use the bully pulpit and he could have done more to reign in spending if it would have been important to him. Because he did get them to pass a tax cut.
Plus a president of principle could always use line item veto. He has the constitutional authority to do so even if Congress doesn't think he does. And he has lots of power when it comes to spending. Congress authorizes the budget, but the president signs the checks.
The passage in Samuel is my reference for the rate that scripture refers
to as being the maximum God would allow a king to legitimately tax. I'm
impressed you knew the reference.
Dean May | 11/13/03 18:40
The President (unlike governors) does not have a line item veto. A law granting the President the line item veto was passed, but it was shot down by the Supreme Court in the case of Clinton v. City of New York at 524 US Reports 417
ttam117 | 11/14/03 08:58
Yes, but that was an illegal ruling, an overstepping of the court's jurisdiction. The president can and should ignore it.
Dean May | 11/14/03 11:12
Yes, I think what you have here is politics vs integrity. It wouldn't be a good political move for the President to boldly ignore the court ruling, but it certainly would be a principled one.
Jon Luker | 11/14/03 11:25
I'm not trying to defend Reagan,but
Ron Paul thinks that the line-item
veto
is
unconstitutional.
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst97/tst081897.htm
Robert | 11/14/03 23:07